Rangemaster Courses in Indiana, 2017

[Jackson]

No one person can teach you everything.

 

[cedartop]

No one person can teach you everything.

I agree with that, and I think Tom would as well. If however someone was only going to go to one person's class to learn to defend themselves with a handgun, I would send them to Tom.

 

[Coach]

No one person can teach you everything.

Everything or every thing about a topic?

 

[VERT]

I heard all the cool kids are going to be shooting shotguns so I couldn't pass on the opportunity. See everyone in October.

To build on Coach's post about cost/value. I swapped a Glock for a ticket. Most of us don't need more guns and INGO is always reminding me of this fact. So my buddy gets a $250 Glock and a box of spare parts and I get a range day with some good people.

 

[Bigtanker]

I'm still trying to figure out how to make this happen.

 

[GNRPowdeR]

I swapped a Glock for a ticket... So my buddy gets a $250 Glock and a box of spare parts and I get a range day with some good people.

I knew the market was soft, but $250 for a used Block?

 

[VERT]

I knew the mark was soft, but $250 for a used Block?

Yeah and I have to buy the SOB dinner to boot.

 

[GNRPowdeR]

Yeah and I have to buy the SOB dinner to boot.

This is a steal!

Used Block + a steak dinner all for $250?

 

[Jackson]

Everything or every thing about a topic?

I would say both. Certainly no one can teach you everything about everything. That's pretty clear. Can someone teach you everything about a single topic? I guess it depends on how narrow the topic. As an example, you were a wrestler for a long time and a wrestling coach for a long time as well. Can you teach someone EVERYTHING about wrestling? You can no doubt take them far. Maybe you can teach them everything they need to know to win their matches. And maybe that's enough. But there are probably some moves that weren't really your moves. Some strategies that are effective but with which you don't have direct experience. Another experienced coach who used those moves as a staple of their game, or are more familiar with implementing those other strategies may be able to teach the wrestler something you couldn't teach them as easily. Maybe the way they would say it or their experience with it would resonate better with the trainee. Maybe it would make them a more effective wrestler. Maybe it wouldn't. Either way, everything can be a whole lot of stuff. It's really hard for anyone to say they know every possible thing about any topic.

Like you said, sometimes you've seen 99% of what you're being taught but the one nugget you pick up makes the whole thing worth it. I had that experience in your Intermediate Pistol class when I took it the first time, actually. I'd been to several classes with good shooters. Big names. You made some comment about snapping the eyes and or driving the pistol to the target that changed my perspective on managing the sights through recoil. I don't even remember the specific comment or topic, but it made the whole class worth it.

 

[Coach]

I would say both. Certainly no one can teach you everything about everything. That's pretty clear. Can someone teach you everything about a single topic? I guess it depends on how narrow the topic. As an example, you were a wrestler for a long time and a wrestling coach for a long time as well. Can you teach someone EVERYTHING about wrestling? You can no doubt take them far. Maybe you can teach them everything they need to know to win their matches. And maybe that's enough. But there are probably some moves that weren't really your moves. Some strategies that are effective but with which you don't have direct experience. Another experienced coach who used those moves as a staple of their game, or are more familiar with implementing those other strategies may be able to teach the wrestler something you couldn't teach them as easily. Maybe the way they would say it or their experience with it would resonate better with the trainee. Maybe it would make them a more effective wrestler. Maybe it wouldn't. Either way, everything can be a whole lot of stuff. It's really hard for anyone to say they know every possible thing about any topic.

Like you said, sometimes you've seen 99% of what you're being taught but the one nugget you pick up makes the whole thing worth it. I had that experience in your Intermediate Pistol class when I took it the first time, actually. I'd been to several classes with good shooters. Big names. You made some comment about snapping the eyes and or driving the pistol to the target that changed my perspective on managing the sights through recoil. I don't even remember the specific comment or topic, but it made the whole class worth it.

You know where I am with your conclusions. Your mental abilities have never escaped me. I see where you are coming from and it is not surprising. Your entire training journey answered the question prior to me asking it. I think your journey and any journey is ample reward if we just pay attention.

Sometimes I think folks, and maybe this is true of you and maybe it is not, are looking for the magic bullet or the meaning of life, or the grain of knowledge that escapes them. Maybe it is out there, but I rather doubt it. Nothing wrong with searching, and maybe I am wrong. Maybe Fox Mulder was right and the truth is out there.

I think there are masters on certain and probably any topic that can teach you all you need to know. I think John Wooden had basketball down, Dan Gable has wrestler down, and so on.

The fact that I am not one of those people is very clear. On any subject. But I think they are out there on specific topics. I think I believe that anyway.

 

[Jackson]

You know where I am with your conclusions. Your mental abilities have never escaped me. I see where you are coming from and it is not surprising. Your entire training journey answered the question prior to me asking it. I think your journey and any journey is ample reward if we just pay attention.

Sometimes I think folks, and maybe this is true of you and maybe it is not, are looking for the magic bullet or the meaning of life, or the grain of knowledge that escapes them. Maybe it is out there, but I rather doubt it. Nothing wrong with searching, and maybe I am wrong. Maybe Fox Mulder was right and the truth is out there.

I think there are masters on certain and probably any topic that can teach you all you need to know. I think John Wooden had basketball down, Dan Gable has wrestler down, and so on.

The fact that I am not one of those people is very clear. On any subject. But I think they are out there on specific topics. I think I believe that anyway.

It's not about a magic bullet or one secret truth that brings the whole thing in to clear focus. It's about experiencing different perspectives, different focal areas, different approaches and synthesizing them with your own. It's about staying out there and gaining more experience. Ah hah moments are rare. As you said, it's a journey. The experiences develop you slowly over time. Changes the way you see things. Being exposed to potentially new perspectives is part of that process.

 

[Jackson]

Also, I just signed up for the shotgun class. Every year I have to go take my beater of a shotgun out and reaffirm to myself, once again, why I would rather just use a carbine. Tom Given's class sounds like a great place to do that.

 

[Coach]

It's not about a magic bullet or one secret truth that brings the whole thing in to clear focus. It's about experiencing different perspectives, different focal areas, different approaches and synthesizing them with your own. It's about staying out there and gaining more experience. Ah hah moments are rare. As you said, it's a journey. The experiences develop you slowly over time. Changes the way you see things. Being exposed to potentially new perspectives is part of that process.

Ah hah and magic bullet are the same thing to me. Not being critical at all but I just don't see the difference.

 

[Coach]

Also, I just signed up for the shotgun class. Every year I have to go take my beater of a shotgun out and reaffirm to myself, once again, why I would rather just use a carbine. Tom Given's class sounds like a great place to do that.

We shall see. I have enjoyed the two shotguns courses I have taken.

 

[Brad69]

Hmm $250 plus $495 Ammo, Hotel, food

Thinking Considering it ?

Wondering what the wife's reaction would be ?

 

[Coach]

Hmm $250 plus $495 Ammo, Hotel, food

Thinking Considering it ?

Wondering what the wife's reaction would be ?

Food does not really count. You have to eat wherever you are.

 

[VERT]

Hmm $250 plus $495 Ammo, Hotel, food

Thinking Considering it ?

Wondering what the wife's reaction would be ?

ammo is expendable as well. $250 plus hotel. Bring a buddy split the room.

 

[rhino]

I'm still considering the handgun class, but at this point lasting through one full day is questionable and two is unlikely. I barely made it through the steel match on Saturday and I was sitting most of the time. I'm considering getting a procedure on my knees that will make my life better, and the side benefit it would make participating in classes more likely.

 

[bwframe]

Hmm $250 plus $495 Ammo, Hotel, food

Thinking Considering it ?

Wondering what the wife's reaction would be ?

I bet she'd learn a lot and make you send her to more classes.

 

[Coach]

I'm still considering the handgun class, but at this point lasting through one full day is questionable and two is unlikely. I barely made it through the steel match on Saturday and I was sitting most of the time. I'm considering getting a procedure on my knees that will make my life better, and the side benefit it would make participating in classes more likely.

You have been more active lately. Has it been helping you get more and more active?