Looking for a pediatrician that doesn't ask about guns.

[KLB]

Again, how is "keep guns secured and away from kids" some sort of special ninja gun knowledge that only gun ninjas know and are qualified to tell people?

it's a pathway. If no gun, move on. If yes gun, ask about safety for kids.

if no sex, don't ask about birth control. If yes sex, talk about birth control.

if no bike riding, don't comment on helmets. If yes bike riding, talk about helmets

if no seizure, don't talk about seizure precautions. If yes seizure, talk about seizure precautions


what exactly have I "bought into"? I'm just not afraid of questions and someone watching out for my kid

a friend of mine is dual boarded in EM/peds. He posted a pic of him riding his riding lawn mower with his baby. I texted him "I know you're careful but remember riding mowers are the #1 cause of traumatic amputation in kids"

should he dump me as a friend because I cared about his kids enough to remind him of something?

So, how involved is your quiz? Do you ask about swimming pools? Fences to keep kids out of the street? DO they have matches or lighters?

That statement you posted is actually very misleading and goes on to talk about all kinds of wonderful gun control subjects. Let's look at some of them.

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APSA supports limitations on access to high-capacity magazines and assault-style weaponry
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APSA supports all efforts to limit access by children to firearms, including the use of gunlocks and safe storage techniques
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APSA supports legislative efforts, such as child access prevention laws, to limit the access to firearms by children
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APSA recommends removal or clarification of language in the Affordable Care Act limiting discussion about the presence of firearms in homes with children. APSA opposes, in the strongest possible terms, state-level legislation infringing on the physician–patient relationship
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In the absence of data supporting the salutary benefits of armed personnel in schools, APSA does NOT support a standard practice of arming teachers, parents, or other officials in the school setting

UBCs, Assault Weapon bans, high capacity magazine bans, laws to limit access to firearms by children

This is not a group worried about children being taught how to safely be around and use guns. This is a group that is against guns and would like to have a forum to preach about it.

 

[actaeon277]

So, how involved is your quiz? Do you ask about swimming pools? Fences to keep kids out of the street? DO they have matches or lighters?

That statement you posted is actually very misleading and goes on to talk about all kinds of wonderful gun control subjects. Let's look at some of them.

UBCs, Assault Weapon bans, high capacity magazine bans, laws to limit access to firearms by children

This is not a group worried about children being taught how to safely be around and use guns. This is a group that is against guns and would like to have a forum to preach about it.

Thank you KLB. I was just looking for this.
Most of (but not all) the medical people I know, want to "get rid of guns".
And most of them (but not all) know absolutely nothing about guns except "they are bad".

 

[KLB]

Thank you KLB. I was just looking for this.
Most of (but not all) the medical people I know, want to "get rid of guns".
And most of them (but not all) know absolutely nothing about guns except "they are bad".

That was the most recent year I could find.

I also should have posted the link to the original PDF
https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10lcid_violence_related_injury_deaths_2010-a.pdf

 

[hoosierdoc]

So, how involved is your quiz? Do you ask about swimming pools? Fences to keep kids out of the street? DO they have matches or lighters?


That statement you posted is actually very misleading and goes on to talk about all kinds of wonderful gun control subjects. Let's look at some of them.

UBCs, Assault Weapon bans, high capacity magazine bans, laws to limit access to firearms by children

This is not a group worried about children being taught how to safely be around and use guns. This is a group that is against guns and would like to have a forum to preach about it.

i said you can disagree with their statements and conclusions but you can't deny the firearm death stat. Then you spend effort telling me their conclusions and statements (which I didn't read) are silly. Great. I don't care.

feel free to do what you want and see whatever doctor you want. I'll continue advocating for discussions with parents about things that kill kids.

i'm done here.

 

[eldirector]

There is a slightly different chart calling out more specifics:

 

[BE Mike]

So, let's assume the number s are skewed by the gangbangers, even so, firearms area risk to young children, as is drowning, SIDS, etc., all of which is in the purview of the a pediatrician.

As to not needing advice on safe handling, you may not need it, but you've got to realize many, many do. Mr. Freeman will be along shortly.



Really, it's not that hard to smile and nod. Smile. Nod. Move on.

It's ok if you buy into the nanny state type of thinking that parents and guardians aren't smart enough or competent enough to impart safety to those in their charges. It's also ok for me to tell a medical professional to butt out. This might hit home: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...1308/what-you-should-know-about-advice-givers

 

[JettaKnight]

It's ok if you buy into the nanny state type of thinking that parents and guardians aren't smart enough or competent enough to impart safety to those in their charges. It's also ok for me to tell a medical professional to butt out. This might hit home: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...1308/what-you-should-know-about-advice-givers

Psychological Biases - I like it.

I'm not buying into the nanny state; I'm just not bothered if a doc ask if I own guns.

YMMV.

 

[KLB]

i said you can disagree with their statements and conclusions but you can't deny the firearm death stat. Then you spend effort telling me their conclusions and statements (which I didn't read) are silly. Great. I don't care.

feel free to do what you want and see whatever doctor you want. I'll continue advocating for discussions with parents about things that kill kids.

i'm done here.

I just showed you their firearm death stat is not right. Did you look at the CDC chart?

First, classifying people up to 19 years old as children is wrong.

When you look at the CDC numbers you find that children actually drown more than they are killed by firearms.
Ages 0-14
Homicide Firearm total: 208
Suicide Firearm: 80
Unintentional Firearm: 26
Total Firearm 314

While
Unintentional drowning was 726
Unintentional Suffocation was 1118
Unintentional MV Traffic was 1225
are all much higher and Unintentional Fire/Burn was 308 which is right behind it.

You really would only be preaching about the unintentional firearm deaths, and maybe the suicides. That was only a total of 106 that year. That is no where near the top of the list for causes of death to children.

It isn't until you lump in those in their mid to upper teens that the firearm deaths catch up. Then you are not talking about children, you are talking about the gangs and adults.

 

[hoosierdoc]

I just showed you their firearm death stat is not right. Did you look at the CDC chart?

First, classifying people up to 19 years old as children is wrong.

When you look at the CDC numbers you find that children actually drown more than they are killed by firearms.
Ages 0-14
Homicide Firearm total: 208
Suicide Firearm: 80
Unintentional Firearm: 26
Total Firearm 314

While
Unintentional drowning was 726
Unintentional Suffocation was 1118
Unintentional MV Traffic was 1225
are all much higher and Unintentional Fire/Burn was 308 which is right behind it.

You really would only be preaching about the unintentional firearm deaths, and maybe the suicides. That was only a total of 106 that year. That is no where near the top of the list for causes of death to children.

It isn't until you lump in those in their mid to upper teens that the firearm deaths catch up. Then you are not talking about children, you are talking about the gangs and adults.

Ok fine, it's not number two. I take it all back. No one should ever ask if there are dangers at home that could hurt your kids. Ciao

and no, I did not look at the chart. Just don't care. I have no patience to argue with people advocating AGAINST checking on the safety of a child. I'm that much of a liberal anti-gun leftist.

 

[actaeon277]

Since they are such defenders of children, and have the purest of motives, then why are they not helping silencers/suppressors become more mainstream?

Medicine's shameful silence on silencers
Medicine's shameful silence on silencers


What if a cheap, simple, and safe method existed for preventing permanent hearing loss in tens of millions of Americans?

 

[actaeon277]

Ok fine, it's not number two. I take it all back. No one should ever ask if there are dangers at home that could hurt your kids. Ciao

and no, I did not look at the chart. Just don't care. I have no patience to argue with people advocating AGAINST checking on the safety of a child. I'm that much of a liberal anti-gun leftist.

It's because
1) we don't think they are checking on the safety of a patient.
2) we think they are being advocates for anti-gun policy.
3) I don't need to be, or want to be, lectured about gun safety by someone that has no clues about guns anymore than someone advocating lawn mower safety that is against lawn mowers, and has never used a lawn mower.

 

[actaeon277]

I guess, if it's "for the children", I should be required to listen to a doctor lecture me on internal combustion engines and the danger to the environment, which eventually one day will be left to the children.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Yeah, you are on to us. We all work for the FBI and tell them what you do.

Ever wonder if the doc simply writes "yes" based on your reading material, hats, etc?

Anyway, I'm done. Tinfoil away

 

[actaeon277]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhs...t-ask-their-patients-about-guns/#6fd6322c3d78
Why Doctors Should Not Ask Their Patients About Guns

First, the American Academy of Pediatrics is not politically neutral in the gun debate. The AAP supports standard Left positions, including “federal firearms legislation that bans assault weapon sales and the sales of high capacity magazines” and “the strongest possible regulations of handguns for civilian use.” The AAP also recommends that parents “NEVER have a gun in the home” (“NEVER” capitalized in their statement). Their website also cites the now-discredited 1986 claim that, “A gun kept in the home is 43 times more likely to kill someone known to the family than to kill someone in self-defense.”


Furthermore, law-abiding gun owners will likely view being asked about guns as an unwarranted intrusion on their privacy. No Congressman is proposing anti-swimming pool legislation, whereas powerful political forces are seeking to curtail Americans’ gun rights. Although the law does not yet allow the government to harvest gun ownership information from medical records, many gun owners are concerned such information may not remain private.

 

[actaeon277]

A Pediatrician's Role in the Gun Debate
A Pediatrician's Role in the Gun Debate

Doctors and parents weigh in on this thorny issue.

Would you object to your pediatrician discussing gun safety with you, including asking whether you have guns in your home?

• Yes. It's not my doctor's business.
• No. The doctor is just trying to help prevent unintentional injuries.

M. Denise Dowd, M.D., M.P.H., pediatrician in Kansas City, Missouri, and an author of the American Academy of Pediatrics' most recent policy statement on firearm-related injuries."I don't want people to have guns in their home, but that's not my agenda when I talk to parents," says Wendy Sue Swanson, M.D., Parents advisor and pediatrician at The Everett Clinic in Everett, Washington. "I want to make sure that the gun isn't loaded, that it's in a locked cabinet, and that the ammunition is locked stored separately from the gun.

Gonna be difficult to use that gun for defense.


Note. This article didn't interview anyone with an objection, just the people that were "for" asking.

 

[actaeon277]

Yeah, you are on to us. We all work for the FBI and tell them what you do.

Ever wonder if the doc simply writes "yes" based on your reading material, hats, etc?

Anyway, I'm done. Tinfoil away

My privacy, and my life style is not "tinfoil". Sorry that you feel it is.
But, medical "experts" are NOT "safety experts".

 

[actaeon277]

Maybe I'm a bit "tinfoil" when they talk "gun safety" then they are "taking on the NRA".

Gun nuts? powerful new enemy: How pediatricians are taking on the NRA - Salon.com
Gun nuts’ powerful new enemy: How pediatricians are taking on the NRA

 

[actaeon277]

https://www.nrablog.com/articles/2016/4/should-a-doctor-be-allowed-to-ask-if-you-own-a-gun/
Should A Doctor Be Allowed To Ask If You Own A Gun?


(for the record. I think they should be allowed to ask. And I think I should be allowed to go elsewhere)

And if you’re thinking these guidelines are merely about safety, they come directly from journals that seek to treat firearm ownership as a health epidemic. Dr. Katherine Christoffel, one of the authors of an American Academy of Pediatrics’ policy to advise gun-owning families to get rid of their firearms wrote in an American Medical Association journal "Guns are a virus that must be eradicated."

 

[BE Mike]

Psychological Biases - I like it.

I'm not buying into the nanny state; I'm just not bothered if a doc ask if I own guns.

YMMV.

I suppose with most of us, it isn't the asking that bothers us, it is the anti-gun organization behind it. When the organization is "taking on" another organization that has done more for gun safety than all the pediatricians have or ever will do, then it is clear to me that they aren't concerned with firearms safety. If it were as simple as doctor says, "I just tell them to lock them up!" it wouldn't bother so many people. Anyone who is truly concerned with firearm safety knows that "THE" question really isn't any answer in and of itself, but just one part of a training program. Doc has bought into this and it will be hard for him to change his paradigm.

 

[HoughMade]

So maybe there's value in appearing to be truthful, level-headed, responsible and unashamed rather than suspicious, paranoid and secretive.

Act like you're hiding something, and it will be assumed you are hiding something bad.

Want gun ownership to remain and be viewed as a mainstream activity participated in by normal, sane, reasonable adults? Act like one and don't deny it not like a POW being tortured into confessing to war crimes.