Charlottesville Thread by Popular Demand.....

[BugI02]

No, I think it's entirely possible different individuals and circumstances most assuredly apply. But since you brought up Dr King I'm sure you also get that there was great reluctance among some to recognize him in the first place. One doesn't have to look much further than the fact Arizona was extremely reluctant. In fact when it came to his Birthday didn't they say no? Now maybe this had something to do with race.

Then again, extend your logic. Do you think perhaps some of the reason that it took so long to memorialize Lee and Jackson was also pushback from people for whom the issues that the War Between the States brought to a head were still fresh in their minds and who were reluctant to accept any memorialization of the ideas and heroes of the other side? Could the lengthy period of time between the cessation of hostilities and this memorial have some non-sinister causation?

 

[jamil]

So, do you consider yourself to be on the side of the ones opposing the protestors in Charlottsville then?

Do you still think I'm not willing to understand my own side?

 

[Dddrees]

Please stop moving the goalposts and attempting to obfuscate.

You claimed that Trump was responsible for the increase in hate crime during his tenure to date. It has been shown that during Obama's tenure anti-white hate crime increased over 27%.

Rather than address your own argument as applied to Obama you then decided that historical data was important, and it was shown that during the GW Administration that anti-white hate crime fell and that there was a negligible increase in anti-black hate crime.

Answer the question please; during Obama's tenure anti-white hate crimes increased over 27%. Was Obama responsible for that increase during his tenure as you are claiming that Trump is responsible for the increase in hate crimes during his tenure?
Either your argument is correct and Obama's administration was responsible for a rise in racist attacks, or your argument is incorrect and Trump is not responsible for the increase you claim in racist attacks. Which is it?

Where was it shown? That meaning Bush.

 

[Dddrees]

Do you still think I'm not willing to understand my own side?

Not sure what side your on at this point.

 

[Dddrees]

Then again, extend your logic. Do you think perhaps some of the reason that it took so long to memorialize Lee and Jackson was also pushback from people for whom the issues that the War Between the States brought to a head were still fresh in their minds and who were reluctant to accept any memorialization of the ideas and heroes of the other side? Could the lengthy period of time between the cessation of hostilities and this memorial have some non-sinister causation?

Yep, I imagine that had something to do with it as well and now years later look at where we are now. Kinda has gone back and forth a bit on this one hasn't?

 

[OakRiver]

Where was it shown? That meaning Bush.

The FBI hate crime statistics

Answer the question please; during Obama's tenure anti-white hate crimes increased over 27%. Was Obama responsible for that increase during his tenure as you are claiming that Trump is responsible for the increase in hate crimes during his tenure?
Either your argument is correct and Obama's administration was responsible for a rise in racist attacks, or your argument is incorrect and Trump is not responsible for the increase you claim in racist attacks. Which is it?

 

[Chewie]

Yeah, I think my original comment is pertinent to the whole history and reason the statue might be there in the first place. More a resurgence in the ideology of White Supremacy and less so for just commemoration of the Civil War.

And you were there to obtain this bit of knowledge by talking to the people involved? Or is this speculation based on your seemingly endless ability to corectly determine what others are thinking? And yes that last sentence is pure sarcasm.

 

[Dddrees]

The FBI hate crime statistics

Answer the question please; during Obama's tenure anti-white hate crimes increased over 27%. Was Obama responsible for that increase during his tenure as you are claiming that Trump is responsible for the increase in hate crimes during his tenure?
Either your argument is correct and Obama's administration was responsible for a rise in racist attacks, or your argument is incorrect and Trump is not responsible for the increase you claim in racist attacks. Which is it?

So has anti white hate crimes decreased, stayed the same, or decreased under Trump?

 

[Dddrees]

And you were there to obtain this bit of knowledge by talking to the people involved? Or is this speculation based on your seemingly endless ability to corectly determine what others are thinking? And yes that last sentence is pure sarcasm.

i was there, but I don't remember seeing you.

 

[jamil]

And you were there to obtain this bit of knowledge by talking to the people involved? Or is this speculation based on your seemingly endless ability to corectly determine what others are thinking? And yes that last sentence is pure sarcasm.

It supports the current belief, therefore it is true. That appears to be the reasoning here, near as I can tell.

 

[jamil]

Do you still think I'm not willing to understand my own side?

LOL. Frustrating as ****, isn't it?

 

[Dddrees]

It supports the current belief, therefore it is true. That appears to be the reasoning here, near as I can tell.

I think it's a distinct possibility the timing seems to be about right.

You know better, I guess you were there too?

 

[OakRiver]

So has anti white hate crimes decreased, stayed the same, or decreased under Trump?

Immaterial, and as already mentioned higher in this thread those FBI statistics have not yet been published.

Answer the question please; during Obama's tenure anti-white hate crimes increased over 27%. Was Obama responsible for that increase during his tenure as you are claiming that Trump is responsible for the increase in hate crimes during his tenure?
Either your argument is correct and Obama's administration was responsible for a rise in racist attacks, or your argument is incorrect and Trump is not responsible for the increase you claim in racist attacks. Which is it?

 

[Dddrees]

Immaterial

Answer the question please; during Obama's tenure anti-white hate crimes increased over 27%. Was Obama responsible for that increase during his tenure as you are claiming that Trump is responsible for the increase in hate crimes during his tenure?
Either your argument is correct and Obama's administration was responsible for a rise in racist attacks, or your argument is incorrect and Trump is not responsible for the increase you claim in racist attacks. Which is it?

No, it's immaterial to you. Not to me.

 

[Expat]

 

[OakRiver]

No, it's immaterial to you. Not to me.

As mentioned those figures are not yet available. Once they are we may have that discussion.

Until that time answer the question please; during Obama's tenure anti-white hate crimes increased over 27%. Was Obama responsible for that increase during his tenure as you are claiming that Trump is responsible for the increase in hate crimes during his tenure?Either your argument is correct and Obama's administration was responsible for a rise in racist attacks, or your argument is incorrect and Trump is not responsible for the increase you claim in racist attacks. Which is it?

 

[Dddrees]

As mentioned those figures are not yet available. Once they are we may have that discussion.

Until that time answer the question please; during Obama's tenure anti-white hate crimes increased over 27%. Was Obama responsible for that increase during his tenure as you are claiming that Trump is responsible for the increase in hate crimes during his tenure?Either your argument is correct and Obama's administration was responsible for a rise in racist attacks, or your argument is incorrect and Trump is not responsible for the increase you claim in racist attacks. Which is it?

Lets revist this discussion then. I want more proof first.

 

[2A_Tom]

 

[ATM]

Lets revist this discussion then. I want more proof first.

No, you must now either denounce Obama or stand humiliated.

You didn't really leave yourself any other options.

 

[Dddrees]

No, you must now either denounce Obama or stand humiliated.

You didn't really leave yourself any other options.

Really, says you? LOL