Generally speaking, again yes.. And the officer may want to rethink their career decisions.
Why would I intervene in a bar fight if I wasn't on duty? If I was at the bar as a patron, how much grief do you realize I'd get if I intervened after having consumed alcoholic beverages?
Well, two officers do as you probably know. They just had their merit board hearing after being fired for that scenario.
Exactly. And it is my understanding that neither of them are coworkers any more.
Why would I intervene in a bar fight if I wasn't on duty? If I was at the bar as a patron, how much grief do you realize I'd get if I intervened after having consumed alcoholic beverages?
Why? If they truly are same-same, why should the officer rethink their career?
I'll cut to the chase. Because they aren't doing what society, OR YOU, think they should be doing as an LEO. Intervening. The expectations are different, and the other side of the coin is people react to LEOs differently. Sometimes to our benefit, sometimes to our detriment.
A bar fight? That's going to depend on a lot of factors. If I've had a drink, I'm by policy not allowed to interfere unless my failure to do so is likely to result in death or serious bodily injury. Plus you've got to consider the escalation of someone who's armed entering a fist fight. Now, it one dude is stabbing the other or something, that's different. Two drunks throwing haymakers, though? No.
I hadn't heard the results. I didn't know NS that well, but MR was someone I knew and liked. I was hoping he'd get his job back but wasn't real optimistic.
We can "what if" until everyone is blue in the face, and you will never be satisfied with the answer.
Someone armed entering a fist fight? Isn't that what on duty officers do frequently and are trained for? No double standard, just acknowledging the training and skills of most officers.
In uniform, with a baton, OC, Taser, radio, and the presence of the uniform =/= plain clothes with no less lethal option. This remains a side show, though, as the discussion of carrying a gun and society's view is centered around a deadly force situation. And yes, intervening is part of the job description, which is the point I've made that you seem to both dispute and accept.
Just don’t take your gun in, they no likey guns! If you are seen carrying a firearm in the Avon TR, you will be asked to leave. Watched a whole table be escorted from the building for OC a couple of years back.
I've eaten there with a gun; I had no idea they were anti -- the food sucked, by the way... I had a gift card to burn; I definitely won't be back.
Same with Carraba's (same parent company as Outback). I had no idea they didn't like guns in their restaurants; they had no idea I had a gun... all was well. I will never be back.
I "conceal" a full-size auto (.45) OWB... other sheepdogs occasionally notice me printing; sheeple never do.
I CC there whenever I can. Especially during business travel since the boss is paying and my family doesnt appreciate it. (them and Hooters are often on my expense reports ) I think its one of the best steaks out there for the money.
But then again maybe its their uncanny ability to actually deliver a medium rare steak; most other chains cant. (at least not reliably) Not sure how they do it, but their method seems to favor steaks on the bloody side.
And I HAVE had better more awesome steaks, but thats typically places like Fogo which are 2-3x the cost.
And the funny thing, is for a company who's corporate office is anti gun they are slacking and apparently dont push it very hard. The Hilliard road location in Columbus, OH isnt placarded as a GFZ. In OH if they put up the sign, they have force of law behind it. Yet that franchisee chooses not to. Interesting.