Multiple people killed in Maryland newsroom shooting

[BigRed]

Does anyone know why the ATF automatically shows up at a shooting?

Can't they let regular police do their jobs?

Because feds believe they have no limits.

 

[Birds Away]

A guy who has been "at war with the newspaper for almost a decade," but didn't have a bodycount until now? Why did he wait so long?
It's not a huge leap of the imagination to think comments where certain people call the media the "enemy of the people," and inquiring when reporters will be shot, will eventually lead to violence.

...and I won't even go into the shooters tweets related to the president, and the newspaper in question.

Sure, sure, this is all Trump's fault. If nothing else you're consistent.

 

[d.kaufman]

A guy who has been "at war with the newspaper for almost a decade," but didn't have a bodycount until now? Why did he wait so long?
It's not a huge leap of the imagination to think comments where certain people call the media the "enemy of the people," and inquiring when reporters will be shot, will eventually lead to violence.

...and I won't even go into the shooters tweets related to the president, and the newspaper in question.

I guess then you would consider all the police that were murdered while Obama was in office, being as he backed the BLM movement(hands up dont shoot), Directly related to Obama then?

 

[hoosierdoc]

Sure, sure, this is all Trump's fault. If nothing else you're consistent.

How dare trump inflame people. But it’s not like he told people to bring a gun to a fight with people you disagree with

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bringing-a-gun-to-a-knife-fight/

 

[T.Lex]

When dealing with irrational people, it is impossible to predict when their irrationality will escalate.

Criminals, we can kinda understand when they commit crimes. Its a short list that includes opportunity, greed, addiction, or retribution.

Terrorists, we can kinda understand when they terrorize. Its a short list of hate, politics, opportunity.

Lunatics, there's no way to tell. The Sandy Hook kid. The Las Vegas shooter. A couple Indiana death penalty cases I can think of. The "trigger" was impossible to predict. Sometimes there's an intensification in rhetoric, but that's also sometimes just talk.

Until we have those super-brains that can predict futurecrime, there's just no way to tell.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Until we have those super-brains that can predict futurecrime, there's just no way to tell.

In the mean time, we'll blame Trump.

 

[Birds Away]

How dare trump inflame people. But it’s not like he told people to bring a gun to a fight with people you disagree with

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bringing-a-gun-to-a-knife-fight/

I firmly believe that then-Senator Obama wasn't really supporting fighting political opponents with guns and knives but was describing the intensity that the struggle would necessitate. I also firmly believe that many of his followers wouldn't be so discerning.

 

[churchmouse]

When dealing with irrational people, it is impossible to predict when their irrationality will escalate.

Criminals, we can kinda understand when they commit crimes. Its a short list that includes opportunity, greed, addiction, or retribution.

Terrorists, we can kinda understand when they terrorize. Its a short list of hate, politics, opportunity.

Lunatics, there's no way to tell. The Sandy Hook kid. The Las Vegas shooter. A couple Indiana death penalty cases I can think of. The "trigger" was impossible to predict. Sometimes there's an intensification in rhetoric, but that's also sometimes just talk.

Until we have those super-brains that can predict futurecrime, there's just no way to tell.

This is pretty much on point.
My thing is the pot stirring generated by the MSM for revenue. Click bait headlines. Sensationalized lead stories. Hell just the background music on the lead in's is intense. It is all mania. It makes normal people get twisted up. What does it do to those bent on insane actions.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I firmly believe that then-Senator Obama wasn't really supporting fighting political opponents with guns and knives but was describing the intensity that the struggle would necessitate. I also firmly believe that many of his followers wouldn't be so discerning.

You're saying he was using....a dog whistle?

 

[T.Lex]

This is pretty much on point.
My thing is the pot stirring generated by the MSM for revenue. Click bait headlines. Sensationalized lead stories. Hell just the background music on the lead in's is intense. It is all mania. It makes normal people get twisted up. What does it do to those bent on insane actions.

Ok, but if we go there, then the people that blame Trump/blame Waters (or other representatives of ugly rhetoric) are on point, too. If the MSM didn't have quotes to print, then the would be forced to stick to facts. Its easy to say the MSM is the tail wagging the dog, but I'm not sure that's always true.

From what I can tell, nowadays the reporting mirrors ACTUAL factionalization in America. People are clicking the clickbait. Not because they're board or Slack is down or the Kardashians' phones all died at the same time. It is a feedback loop of confirmation bias (most often). People are clicking BECAUSE they want to see their leaders insulting each other.

I'm more than happy to call the MSM out for being biased or incorrect or grammatically challenged. But, at a fundamental level, it looks like the reporting on the rhetoric is factual. These people are actually saying ugly/stupid/mean/partisan/divisive stuff.

 

[Birds Away]

You're saying he was using....a dog whistle?

I don't think he did so knowingly. At that point he was the junior Senator from Illinois and not in any way prepared for the shoes he found himself trying to walk in. In Illinois (read Chicago) politics you have to use Maxine Waters-type rhetoric to get noticed. I don't think he had yet realized that the rhetoric would have to change when on the national stage.

 

[hoosierdoc]

You're saying he was using....a dog whistle?

 

[churchmouse]

Ok, but if we go there, then the people that blame Trump/blame Waters (or other representatives of ugly rhetoric) are on point, too. If the MSM didn't have quotes to print, then the would be forced to stick to facts. Its easy to say the MSM is the tail wagging the dog, but I'm not sure that's always true.

From what I can tell, nowadays the reporting mirrors ACTUAL factionalization in America. People are clicking the clickbait. Not because they're board or Slack is down or the Kardashians' phones all died at the same time. It is a feedback loop of confirmation bias (most often). People are clicking BECAUSE they want to see their leaders insulting each other.

I'm more than happy to call the MSM out for being biased or incorrect or grammatically challenged. But, at a fundamental level, it looks like the reporting on the rhetoric is factual. These people are actually saying ugly/stupid/mean/partisan/divisive stuff.

Sadly this is also true. I guess I just do not want to know how far we have slid down the slope.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Conservatives/trump voters are the new Jews. With modern media don’t need a goebbels

 

[T.Lex]

Sadly this is also true. I guess I just do not want to know how far we have slid down the slope.

Truly, I'm wondering how much further we have to go.

I take solace in our cultural political history. We've endured politicians calling each other the literal spawn of Satan, and worse. With luck, the pendulum has swung back that direction and will start swinging back to relative civility soon.

 

[Birds Away]

Truly, I'm wondering how much further we have to go.

I take solace in our cultural political history. We've endured politicians calling each other the literal spawn of Satan, and worse. With luck, the pendulum has swung back that direction and will start swinging back to relative civility soon.

I'm not so sure. There is a lot of money to be made by the media in keeping things stirred up.

 

[churchmouse]

I'm not so sure. There is a lot of money to be made by the media in keeping things stirred up.

And again there is truth here. Look to the people calling the shots on the big networks.

 

[T.Lex]

I'm not so sure. There is a lot of money to be made by the media in keeping things stirred up.

Yes.

Why are they making money? Because people are watching/clicking/listening.

How did Rush Limbaugh get rich (back when he was)? Stirring the pot with a contrarian spoon. A really big contrarian spoon.

And who's partaking the soup? "Us." Both sides. Us.

 

[churchmouse]

Yes.

Why are they making money? Because people are watching/clicking/listening.

How did Rush Limbaugh get rich (back when he was)? Stirring the pot with a contrarian spoon. A really big contrarian spoon.

And who's partaking the soup? "Us." Both sides. Us.

If there is no market to feed they will go elsewhere.

 

[Birds Away]

Yes.

Why are they making money? Because people are watching/clicking/listening.

How did Rush Limbaugh get rich (back when he was)? Stirring the pot with a contrarian spoon. A really big contrarian spoon.

And who's partaking the soup? "Us." Both sides. Us.

No argument with any of that. What will bring about change? If anything we are becoming more polarized by the minute and big media is urging it on all the way.