Attack on the American embassy in Iraq

[DoggyDaddy]

It's almost like the military has people who develop plans based on specific scenarios, theaters of operation, forces, and equipment. Oh wait, they're called planners! (Flashing back to the pre-positioned War Reserve Materiel at K-2 AB, ROK)

Shows of force: we have many big sticks, sometimes you have to remind people of that fact.

Does there come a time when we stop walking softly though? That is the question in the ME in general. Do we ****, or get off the pot? That is the question. I think Shakespeare wrote that.

 

[Ark]

TBH this looks a lot more like an actual protest or mild riot than the planned, organized, armed assaults on the Benghazi compounds. The Iraq embassy is also probably the single most fortified and defended piece of American territory on the planet. There was never a possibility of this turning out like Benghazi, and there's no "test" that was "passed".

 

[DoggyDaddy]

TBH this looks a lot more like an actual protest or mild riot than the planned, organized, armed assaults on the Benghazi compounds. The Iraq embassy is also probably the single most fortified and defended piece of American territory on the planet. There was never a possibility of this turning out like Benghazi, and there's no "test" that was "passed".

The pictures I saw had large groups of military-aged young men, dressed alike, gathered around various flags. That looked pretty planned and organized to me.

 

[Ark]

The pictures I saw had large groups of military-aged young men, dressed alike, gathered around various flags. That looked pretty planned and organized to me.

Who were unarmed and not shooting at anyone. Pretty crucial difference. Benghazi wasn't a protest or a riot, it was a heavily armed assault and assassination attempt by a terrorist group. This was a protest that ended with minimal property destruction and no deaths. There's no comparison between the two situations, Benghazi was a backwater and Baghdad is a fortress.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Who were unarmed and not shooting at anyone. Pretty crucial difference. Benghazi wasn't a protest or a riot, it was a heavily armed assault and assassination attempt by a terrorist group. This was a protest that ended with minimal property destruction and no deaths. There's no comparison between the two situations, Benghazi was a backwater and Baghdad is a fortress.

So all the smoke and flames were caused by what... casually discarded cigarette butts? And the fact that they're wiling to do this at/to a "fortress" shows an increased willingness that is obviously backed by someone that at least thinks they have enough power to challenge the U.S.. This is driven by Iran, not random people.

 

[churchmouse]

So all the smoke and flames were caused by what... casually discarded cigarette butts? And the fact that they're wiling to do this at/to a "fortress" shows an increased willingness that is obviously backed by someone that at least thinks they have enough power to challenge the U.S.. This is driven by Iran, not random people.

And the whole thing is we responded as soon as possible. Period. Regardless. Even if t was a Benghazi level situation we would have had boots on the ground as soon as possible. That is what I see here. Immediate response. They tested Trump. Period.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

And the whole thing is we responded as soon as possible. Period. Regardless. Even if t was a Benghazi level situation we would have had boots on the ground as soon as possible. That is what I see here. Immediate response. They tested Trump. Period.

Exactly! No delay, no made up stories about youtube videos. Just appropriate action when it was needed.

 

[Wolfhound]

And the whole thing is we responded as soon as possible. Period. Regardless. Even if t was a Benghazi level situation we would have had boots on the ground as soon as possible. That is what I see here. Immediate response. They tested Trump. Period.

I think when Trump rolled the 82nd ready brigade out of Fort Bragg Iran knew he wasn't playing around. It seems all they understand over there is strength and force. Any sign of weakness and they try to punk you.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I think when Trump rolled the 82nd ready brigade out of Fort Bragg Iran knew he wasn't playing around. It seems all they understand over there is strength and force. Any sign of weakness and they try to punk you.

Precisely. That's when I hear comments like, "we need to be better than them" and hold back on our ROE I cringe. It will take overwhelming force to settle things in that area of the world. "Fighting nice" will never work.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So all the smoke and flames were caused by what... casually discarded cigarette butts? And the fact that they're wiling to do this at/to a "fortress" shows an increased willingness that is obviously backed by someone that at least thinks they have enough power to challenge the U.S.. This is driven by Iran, not random people.

Hey, write this down. Trump respond appropriately and made a good showing as CiC. A FAR superior response than what I wouldve expected from the previous administration.
So there, I complimented him

That aside though, Ark is right. The threat posed there, was significantly less than that in Benghazi. Though, if the president hadn’t acted as promptly as he did, it certainly had the potential to be much worse.

 

[d.kaufman]

Hey, write this down. Trump respond appropriately and made a good showing as CiC. A FAR superior response than what I wouldve expected from the previous administration.
So there, I complimented him

That aside though, Ark is right. The threat posed there, was significantly less than that in Benghazi. Though, if the president hadn’t acted as promptly as he did, it certainly had the potential to be much worse.

 

[Ark]

The riot was over before anything Trump could have said or done could make a different. Y'all are painting this as some big pwn that Trump somehow got over Clinton and it's just not. That's just your confirmation bias because you already supported him and are extremely receptive to him claiming it's a victory. In reality the two situations are not remotely comparable and there was no risk of this turning into a Benghazi situation. The crowd would have been flattened by an Apache long before any of the staff were in real danger.

It's amazing how people are still obsessed with Benghazi. Obama is out of office, Clinton is out of a job and is a multi-loss presidential candidate has-been. She doesn't matter, what-ifs about her don't matter, I don't understand why people still care so much about Hillary Clinton.

 

[Wolfhound]

Precisely. That's when I hear comments like, "we need to be better than them" and hold back on our ROE I cringe. It will take overwhelming force to settle things in that area of the world. "Fighting nice" will never work.

QFT!

 

[Vigilant]

The riot was over before anything Trump could have said or done could make a different. Y'all are painting this as some big pwn that Trump somehow got over Clinton and it's just not. That's just your confirmation bias because you already supported him and are extremely receptive to him claiming it's a victory. In reality the two situations are not remotely comparable and there was no risk of this turning into a Benghazi situation. The crowd would have been flattened by an Apache long before any of the staff were in real danger.

It's amazing how people are still obsessed with Benghazi. Obama is out of office, Clinton is out of a job and is a multi-loss presidential candidate has-been. She doesn't matter, what-ifs about her don't matter, I don't understand why people still care so much about Hillary Clinton.

I care because her inaction caused the deaths of Americans, and that is ****ing criminal! You know who’s really obsessed about Benghazi? The families of the dead!

 

[Wolfhound]

The riot was over before anything Trump could have said or done could make a different. Y'all are painting this as some big pwn that Trump somehow got over Clinton and it's just not. That's just your confirmation bias because you already supported him and are extremely receptive to him claiming it's a victory. In reality the two situations are not remotely comparable and there was no risk of this turning into a Benghazi situation. The crowd would have been flattened by an Apache long before any of the staff were in real danger.

It's amazing how people are still obsessed with Benghazi. Obama is out of office, Clinton is out of a job and is a multi-loss presidential candidate has-been. She doesn't matter, what-ifs about her don't matter, I don't understand why people still care so much about Hillary Clinton.

My personal opinion is it wasn't a riot. It was a planned assault carried out by Iran and their minions. Had there been no response or a very weak response I believe the embassy staff could have been killed or captured. There were tents, portable toilets and cooking facilities set up just outside the embassy by the Iranian militia. Doesn't sound much like a riot to me. More like something that was meant to go on for days or weeks. Too bad the 100 Marines dropped off by Osprey broke up the party with tear gas.

Cooking pots set up outside the embassy where 50 tents and a number of portable toilets have been shipped in for the long haul.

Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ilitia-storm-Baghdad-compound-second-day.html

 

[churchmouse]

I repped him. Go figure...

 

[Bennettjh]

I care because her inaction caused the deaths of Americans, and that is ****ing criminal! You know who’s really obsessed about Benghazi? The families of the dead!

 

[jamil]

Hey, write this down. Trump respond appropriately and made a good showing as CiC. A FAR superior response than what I wouldve expected from the previous administration.
So there, I complimented him

That aside though, Ark is right. The threat posed there, was significantly less than that in Benghazi. Though, if the president hadn’t acted as promptly as he did, it certainly had the potential to be much worse.

 

[d.kaufman]

Yeah...I fainted too

 

[jamil]

The riot was over before anything Trump could have said or done could make a different. Y'all are painting this as some big pwn that Trump somehow got over Clinton and it's just not. That's just your confirmation bias because you already supported him and are extremely receptive to him claiming it's a victory. In reality the two situations are not remotely comparable and there was no risk of this turning into a Benghazi situation. The crowd would have been flattened by an Apache long before any of the staff were in real danger.

It's amazing how people are still obsessed with Benghazi. Obama is out of office, Clinton is out of a job and is a multi-loss presidential candidate has-been. She doesn't matter, what-ifs about her don't matter, I don't understand why people still care so much about Hillary Clinton.

Being so dismissive of the importance isn’t any more honest. A rapid response, even to a group of protesters, signals that the administration will respond to force with overwhelming force. It’s appropriate to compare to Benghazi because when it was clear that it was an attack the administration did nothing. At best it was incompetent. At worst it was criminal.

It’s reasonable to compare them because the responses are so different. It’s not just Fox News comparing them. I’ve seen several at least mention Benghazi in a comparative way.