N.Y. AG vs NRA

[AlVine]

Is anyone else feeling completely betrayed by the NRA giving the NY AG their membership list? I can’t believe they did that. Robert Barnes, a prominent attorney, gives a rundown of the case in this video. It’s a lot worse than the replies to this thread indicate people think it is.

https://youtu.be/KtZeSZUyPoM

 

[dusty88]

I SUPPORT THE NRA! Not specific people, the organization and that for which it was chartered.


The naivety expressed in this thread is breathtaking. The conversion of misuse, as defined by an enemy prosecutor, to "stealing" is unreal to me. Armani suits are not even in the top 10 of expensive suits.

I am going to say now that it is likely improprieties have occurred and the board should attend to those as the are elected to do.

Washington DC has become one of the richest most powerful cities in all the world. Something like 7 of the 10 most expensive homes zip codes in the US are there. This is the playground we send the NRA to do battle on to protect our 2A rights nationally. The money flowing in this place is obscene and if you want to be noticed, you must play along. It was mentioned about a Wayne mega poster and that he is just an employee. Nope! He is our gladiator in the DC swamp.

Do you think the senators and presidents and their handlers want to meet with your accountant from Podunkville Indiana? No! They want to meet up on your dime for the lobster and beluga caviar with the rock star NRA president that delivers the votes to get them reelected. They want to play golf at the unobtainable club in the Bahamas. It is a dirty game, but it takes years to develop the contracts and the fear that politicians call respect. At least the NRA is not accused of running the Lolita Express...

So forget all that minor BS and look at the big picture. Overall have gun rights nationally gotten better or worse since WLP took over? Quit picking nits! Things are so much better than that if government had been left to its own without the influence of the WLP led NRA. I really couldn't care less what the money is spent on, it is all about are the goals being met? I say yes! And if we can win this election together, as the NRA, more goals are in the grasp...

I appreciate your perspective.

It has a limit, however.

Oliver North spoke up and got pushed out. The cleanup isn't done.

 

[Ingomike]

Is anyone else feeling completely betrayed by the NRA giving the NY AG their membership list? I can’t believe they did that. Robert Barnes, a prominent attorney, gives a rundown of the case in this video. It’s a lot worse than the replies to this thread indicate people think it is.

https://youtu.be/KtZeSZUyPoM

Not happy about that...

 

[churchmouse]

Not happy about that...

OK so are we now seeing how worthless the NRA has become.

 

[Ingomike]

OK so are we now seeing how worthless the NRA has become.

No. But the jack axes running it including the counsel should be quartered for giving up that information.

 

[Twangbanger]

...So forget all that minor BS and look at the big picture. Overall have gun rights nationally gotten better or worse since WLP took over? Quit picking nits! Things are so much better than that if government had been left to its own without the influence of the WLP led NRA. I really couldn't care less what the money is spent on, it is all about are the goals being met? I say yes! And if we can win this election together, as the NRA, more goals are in the grasp...

1. The Heller Decision would never have happened, if left up to the NRA. They were too scared shtless to bring a case, and waited for a weaker sister organization to carry the ball for them.

2. It depends what your "goals" are. I don't see spending tons of our money, and things getting marginally better mainly thanks to the efforts of other organizations, as terrific progress. My yardstick is: how much more could have been accomplished, if the NRA brass had been keeping their noses to the grindstone, instead of lining their pockets, making Ackerman McQueen rich by outsourcing the organization's entire public-facing strategy to them, and taking kickbacks from vendors?

By that measure - starting with massive resources and only getting "meh" results through your own actions - I would say they've been a failure.

I don't want to see the organization run out of existence. I'm a Life Member and believe in the goals and aims of the organization, as originally defined. But I do not at all like the management practices of the current bunch of foxes in the henhouse. I think you are naive not to see this. Giving up a flipping list of names is the least of their problems. If it takes a real, good, old-fashioned ass whipping at the hands of the NY AG, to get the NRA to clean up its act, then good.

I started out liking LaPierre, but he has committed several lapses of judgement that are, in my opinion, self-serving and putting himself ahead of the good of the organization. He needs fired. My money will go elsewhere, as long as he's there. It's nothing personal. It's business. He's the CEO of a very important cause, and he forked up. Sometimes heads need to roll. The Oliver North situation showed this will not happen voluntarily. LaPierre's parachute has all the gold in Fort Knox in it.

If the NRA will not clean house, then I do not care what happens to them. We do not need to be fleeced. We need leadership in Washington that puts our Cause ahead of EVERYthing else. Sadly, the NRA is not that, at this time.

 

[Ingomike]

1. The Heller Decision would never have happened, if left up to the NRA. They were too scared shtless to bring a case, and waited for a weaker sister organization to carry the ball for them.

2. It depends what your "goals" are. I don't see spending tons of our money, and things getting marginally better mainly thanks to the efforts of other organizations, as terrific progress. My yardstick is: how much more could have been accomplished, if the NRA brass had been keeping their nose to the grindstone, instead of lining their pockets, making Ackerman McQueen rich by outsourcing the organization's entire public-facing strategy to them, and taking kickbacks from vendors?

So you back gutting the NRA going into the presidential election of our lifetimes...

 

[Twangbanger]

So you back gutting the NRA going into the presidential election of our lifetimes...

Clarified in my subsequent edit.

You are being fleeced by snake-oil salesmen. If you cannot see that, it's on you.

This is about ACCOUNTABILITY. When leadership fails, it needs to be replaced. If there are mechanisms in place to prevent that happening, then unfortunately, the organization needs to undergo chemotherapy. The sooner the better.

 

[Ingomike]

Clarified in my subsequent edit.

You are being fleeced by snake-oil salesmen. If you cannot see that, it's on you.

It is not that I cannot see that, I do, but also believe the organization is worth saving and it will be important to this election. We have so much more knowledge than the run of the mill gun owner...

 

[Twangbanger]

It is not that I cannot see that, I do, but also believe the organization is worth saving and it will be important to this election. We have so much more knowledge than the run of the mill gun owner...

What is frustrating to me, is that we can't seem to change it with our votes. When our elected BOD members speak up against this...they are run out of town. It is like WLP is Supreme Dictator for Life. It is like Raccoons have invaded your house, and you are required to wait for them to leave voluntarily. The Bylaws are apparently really messed up, to allow this to happen.

I'm just not sure how this fix gets done, except through application of painful outside force. I want the demon exorcised, so I can have my organization back. But at the current time, it is possessed. Sometimes you have to burn down and start over. It's not like gun owners are going to simply go away.

I would like to see the equivalent of a corporate bankruptcy, and re-organization into something that works for us again.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Clarified in my subsequent edit.

You are being fleeced by snake-oil salesmen. If you cannot see that, it's on you.

This is about ACCOUNTABILITY. When leadership fails, it needs to be replaced. If there are mechanisms in place to prevent that happening, then unfortunately, the organization needs to undergo chemotherapy. The sooner the better.

As a kid that grewup on the DC Beltway my father and g father belonged to a few Issac Walton Conservation Clubs in and near Bethesda and Rockville Md.
We went to an NRA dinner once or twice a year back then and one of those dinners when I was back home in the early eightys we went to a dinner and Wayne was there to speak. The ride home was filled in the front seat of my dads Impala with him and my grandfather talking. They were not happy with him back then..
And I will add that very few times in my 45 years of living in Maryland did the NRA show up in Annapolis, Rockville, Bladenburg and other towns when Maryland really needed them, they never crossed the Potomac River Bridge.

 

[foszoe]

I've been told that too many times. Maybe if you just turned 22.

So you back gutting the NRA going into the presidential election of our lifetimes...

 

[Punkinhead]

It's a contest between two anti-gun, deficit loving liberals who like to fondle women against their will.

 

[Ingomike]

I've been told that too many times. Maybe if you just turned 22.

Really? What election was there serious discussion of disbanding police? Riots and looting allowed to run rampant? Politicians shutting down churches but not other venues? The list could go on and on...

 

[KellyinAvon]

I've been told that too many times. Maybe if you just turned 22.

I'm 55, voted in every election since 84. This one is the most important. As will be the next one.

 

[Libertarian01]

Here is a link to a news story done by NPR on some of the inside issues of the NRA: https://the1a.org/segments/the-new-york-attorney-general-wants-to-dissolve-the-nra-what-happens-now/
(Starts about 35 seconds in.)

From what I can gather I love the work and goals of the NRA and find the organizations work laudable. However, it would appear that leadership, especially but not limited to Wayne LaPierre, has become extremely corrupt and needs to be purged.

I don't doubt that Mr. LaPierre started his leadership with the highest of goals back in 1991. As we all know power corrupts, and after a decade or two, or three, in power it can go to anyone's head. It is time for mid and upper management to clean out the top drawer and get back on track, and probably write some rules of term limits into the organizations charter before things get too far out of hand. Sadly, they may(?) have already done so.

Regards,

Doug

 

[Ziggidy]

I've been told that too many times. Maybe if you just turned 22.

Maybe you have been told, but did you listen?

Unless you want to see Trump lose, it is best to support any and all pro-2nd, conservative organizations; this election more so than ever.

 

[foszoe]

Really? What election was there serious discussion of disbanding police? Riots and looting allowed to run rampant? Politicians shutting down churches but not other venues? The list could go on and on...

Ih so you are saying in 2016, the election wasn't the most important ever, or 2012, or 2008, or 2004?

This is the first time in your life it was the most important election ever?

 

[foszoe]

I'm 55, voted in every election since 84. This one is the most important. As will be the next one.

If they are all the most important ever, then they are all equally important. I still get one vote.

 

[foszoe]

Maybe you have been told, but did you listen?

Unless you want to see Trump lose, it is best to support any and all pro-2nd, conservative organizations; this election more so than ever.

I don't want to see Trump lose, but I don't care if he wins. Now he is promising to make social security a smoking hole more so than it was. He ain't Jesus Christ. He is just a man.