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  • buckwacker

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    The audit should be set up to validate the people who vote, but not who they voted for. A different audit would be about ballot custody, and counts that have no connection to who voted.

    Also I’ve said before, that counting the votes should be open for all to see. I would like to see cameras over every workstation with public feeds so that everyone can see what’s happening and feel confident in the vote. So if the feed goes down, that station would have to quit counting.
    A video feed, if the resolution is high enough to be useful for auditing, of the process would essentially create a permanent record connecting to voters to votes if someone recorded it. No go.

    The process we have works if it's followed. We can't ignore the process because, covid.
     

    jamil

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    A video feed, if the resolution is high enough to be useful for auditing, of the process would essentially create a permanent record connecting to voters to votes if someone recorded it. No go.

    The process we have works if it's followed. We can't ignore the process because, covid.
    I was thinking more in terms of just counting. I wouldn't want my name or signature to show up in a video feed either.
     

    KG1

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    I thinks it's pretty obvious there isn't.

    There was a process to audit, live, during the initial counting, that completely collapsed in some districts\precincts.

    The process is that, with absentee\mail ballots, we use ballots WITHOUT identifying information stored within envelopes WITH the identifying information. The envelopes are used to verify the voters eligibility to cast a vote, and, to ensure the process isn't manipulated by one side, observers from both\all sides are permitted to OBSERVE the process of verification of each voter AND the tabulation of votes.

    The problem is that this process wasn't followed as indicated by observers being removed, harassed, or not allowed within a meaningful distance to actually OBSERVE the process, because covid or whatever. One side blatantly violated the very rules meant to ensure confidence in the election process and that same side are now actively trying to intimidate and silence those who've raised any objection to those violations.
    This election should have been allowed heavy scrutinization with the utmost attention from both sides to ensure that the process was followed fairly to the letter. The stakes were extremely high especially in this election.

    The slightest hint of impropriety fosters distrust in the system. Say what you will about the gravity of the objections that were raised there was enough there to cause that distrust.

    And here we are.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    That's a lazy way of arguing a point. I doubt I can dig those livestreams up at this point. You don't get to narrow the discourse to fit a technical win. One could argue that the "***** hat wearers" is a metephore for the anti-Trump lunatics, and that the intent of that phrase was not to narrow the set of people intended to those who physically wore a ***** hat while saying Trump is legitimate. It's not just lazy, it's not intellectually honest. Well, unless you're joking. I kinda think you're not.
    Specifics bro. I use them for a reason.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    You mean like the specific gun control plan mentioned on Bidens website?
    Yeah you worry about specifics. :rolleyes:
    I didn't read Biden's gun control plan on his website. So no, not like that. But thank you for bringing up something completely unrelated just so you could reference moi. I enjoy the celebrity status bestowed upon me by my fans. I love you all, muah!
     

    Jaybird1980

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    I didn't read Biden's gun control plan on his website. So no, not like that. But thank you for bringing up something completely unrelated just so you could reference moi. I enjoy the celebrity status bestowed upon me by my fans. I love you all, muah!
    I bet you do wish people would quit bringing it up. I will do my part to remind everyone.
     

    Kutnupe14

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    I bet you do wish people would quit bringing it up. I will do my part to remind everyone.
    Lol, bro you can put it in your sig-line. No seriously, do it. I'm completely fine with it... but if FYI, I'm not paying double rent. Free mean free.
     

    Mikey1911

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    —Bear with me, for this is a long one. But if you read the context(actually read it) they have been telling us this from the start.—

    The First Beast​

    13 And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads.2 And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. 3 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. 4 And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”

    5 And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to utter blasphemies against God, blaspheming his name and his dwelling,[a] that is, those who dwell in heaven. 7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them.[b] And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. 9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear:

    10 If anyone is to be taken captive,
    to captivity he goes;
    if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
    with the sword must he be slain.
    Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.

    The Second Beast​

    11 Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence,[c] and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed. 13 It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people,14 and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of[d] the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. 16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave,[e] to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

    —Revelation 13
    So, which one of these beasts is the Hildybeast, and which is the Pelosibeast?

    Of course elsewhere in Revelation is the description of “Babylon the Great”, and there are at least four congresscritters who could fill her role.
     
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    KLB

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    Please, show me where the p-hats were calling Trump “illegitimate.” That was the premise offered, and that was the premise addressed. You don’t get to expand the parameters of the discussion simply you can’t cite proof of the specific instance being discussed. So once again, may I please have a link to the p-hats calling Trump illegitimate?
    Liberal groups praised the work of protesters, many of whom traveled from around the country to rail against a president they called “illegitimate” in thousands of signs and songs.
     
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