Adios, Dilbert

[Route 45]

The Left pushes racism and then is shocked when the result is racism. Nothing to see here, move along.

Are you seriously saying that if someone calls you a racist, you might as well be a racist?

Nothing to see here, indeed.

 

[Cameramonkey]

List 'em.

Why? So you can twist my words again?

 

[jamil]

Are you seriously saying that if someone calls you a racist, you might as well be a racist?

Nothing to see here, indeed.

Well that's an uncharitable interpretation.

 

[KG1]

Why? So you can twist my words again?

Kut approves.

 

[jamil]

For multiple reasons.

Well. It's a glimpse into why a former avid Trumper is now becoming a bit of a left wing nutter.

 

[Route 45]

Why? So you can twist my words again?

A mod should be able to back up his words when making accusations in the public forum, especially against a long time member who is a site supporter.

 

[Route 45]

Well. It's a glimpse into why a former avid Trumper is now becoming a bit of a left wing nutter.

What is left wing about calling out a statement that white people should just avoid black people because of a poll?

If that's "left wing," then the right needs to take a look in the mirror.

 

[Route 45]

Well. It's a glimpse into why a former avid Trumper is now becoming a bit of a left wing nutter.

And I don't know where you are getting "avid Trumper." I voted for him as the less stinky of two buckets of **** twice, and liked the way he pissed off actual far leftist types like Antifa and such. But that has nothing to do with calling out actual racism.

There has never been a more ignorant statement than "If everything is racism, then nothing is racism."

 

[mom45]

I would just like to remind everyone of rule #5. If this is going to turn into a race debate, it isn't going to be here long. The original post is borderline at best when it comes to compliance with this rule.

5) Racially-based threads of any nature are not allowed on IndianaGunOwners.com.
All Indiana Gun Owners should feel comfortable on this forum no matter their race. Everyone is welcome here on INGO and should feel comfortable being associated with this site.

 

[jamil]

I suppose it depends on what one considers a racist to be. Some people think that it's a person who believes that their race is superior. I don't know that Adams thinks that. His statement, in saying to avoid all black people because of a poll in which half say something also stupid and racist, is certainly a racist notion. Like you said, what about the other half?

I am kind of taken aback about people rushing to defend or minimize his statements. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised in today's political climate.

I agree with the Merriam-Webster definition.

having, reflecting, or fostering the belief that race (see race entry 1 sense 1a) is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

It's not just merely attributing some behavior or other mutable characteristic to an entire racial or ethnic group. Now that's what Adams did. But we have other words for that. Racism involves some sense that a race has immutable characteristics that make it inherently superior or inferior.

He's not racist, per se. He's attributing characteristics some members of a racial group exhibit to the whole group. That's bad. He hasn't said whites are inherently superior, or that they're inherently inferior.

Don't accept ideologues definitions of racists, because that makes one tend to call people out for racism, when they should call them out for something else.

 

[Cameramonkey]

A mod should be able to back up his words when making accusations in the public forum, especially against a long time member who is a site supporter.

Fine. I'll spell it out. You are goading people and making accusations that if they dont outright condemn his comments, they are also racists.

I posted

Oh, wait, do you mean blacks, or woke whiny a** liberals in general? Because I meant WWALs.

To which you twisted it into

It's funny that I've never seen the acronym WWAL, but I'd bet money that it's White Woke Ass Liberal?

You'd lose that bet since you ignored where I spelled it out in the prior sentence.

I'll say it again. Kut. It. Out. That void he left does NOT need to be filled by you. And you appear to be trying.

And Staff doesn't care if you are a site supporter or not. They get absolutely no preferential treatment over non site supporters. Dont think you can hide behind that $20. You can be booted from the playground just as quickly.

 

[KG1]

Adios thread.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Adios thread.

 

[Route 45]

I would just like to remind everyone of rule #5. If this is going to turn into a race debate, it isn't going to be here long. The original post is borderline at best when it comes to compliance with this rule.

5) Racially-based threads of any nature are not allowed on IndianaGunOwners.com.
All Indiana Gun Owners should feel comfortable on this forum no matter their race. Everyone is welcome here on INGO and should feel comfortable being associated with this site.

Thank, mom45. Feel free to nuke the thread from orbit if you'd like. It appears that talking about this twists more panties than even a religious discussion. I can't imagine the sentiments expressed by many in this thread seem all that welcoming to a great many people.

Sad.

 

[jamil]

And I don't know where you are getting "avid Trumper." I voted for him as the less stinky of two buckets of **** twice, and liked the way he pissed off actual far leftist types like Antifa and such. But that has nothing to do with calling out actual racism.

There has never been a more ignorant statement than "If everything is racism, then nothing is racism."

I could be mistaken but I recall a few cases of you pushing Trump.

Now. As far as actual racism, I think you need to know what actual racism is before you start accusing people of actual racism. And it's fine to accuse them of the thing they actually did. Adams IS stereotyping for people's behavior based on immutable characteristics. Adams, I suppose, is discriminating against the majority of Black people who didn't say those things. So definitely call him out for that.

But the statement that is the most ignorant is the highlighted one. Yes. If everything is racist then nothing is. What that means is that there is no longer a coherent definition of racism if everything is racist. The term means something if it is restricted to it's legitimate application. It's essentially meaningless if it's applied to everything. If you don't understand that, it implies you're ignorant of that fact.

So. Don't call this racism. Call it what it is. Reserve "racism" for what racism actually is.

 

[Route 45]

So. Don't call this racism. Call it what it is. Reserve "racism" for what racism actually is.

If you think that it's not racist to avoid people because of their race, I really don't think we have anything to discuss.

 

[jamil]

I would just like to remind everyone of rule #5. If this is going to turn into a race debate, it isn't going to be here long. The original post is borderline at best when it comes to compliance with this rule.

5) Racially-based threads of any nature are not allowed on IndianaGunOwners.com.
All Indiana Gun Owners should feel comfortable on this forum no matter their race. Everyone is welcome here on INGO and should feel comfortable being associated with this site.

I think if INGO is going to discuss race it needs to be mature enough to discuss it in a way that makes anyone of any race comfortable enough to participate. And this thread, though touching on the subject of race isn't openly disparaging people of any particular race, at least in the posts I've read.

People are basically arguing over whether it's racist to say what Adam's said. And I suppose the OP seems to have some fingernails that have an urge to dig into INGO's skin. So there's that too.

 

[BigRed]

In before the sticky.

I don't see the correlation of the boy who cried wolf to race. It's a fable about say something that isn't true often enough, no one will believe you when it is true.
Since it was posted twice, what is the correlation?

The boy "cried wolf" to the point nobody gave a flying ****.
Then when the wolf really did show up and the boy "cried wolf", nobody gave a flying ****.

I stopped giving a flying **** about this whole so called "issue" a LONG time ago.

Are there some true victims of "racism" out there? Maybe. Let them go talk to the boy that liked "crying wolf" all the time. Perhaps he will give a flying ****. I do not.

 

[Route 45]

And I suppose the OP seems to have some fingernails that have an urge to dig into INGO's skin. So there's that too.

Sorry 'bout that. Unfortunate side effect of not strictly identifying with red or blue.

I'll try harder to praise Jesus, vote Republican, yell at drag queens, open carry, listen to Tucker Carlson and read ZeroHedge.

Might even switch to carrying a 1911, if it makes everyone feel better. Ruger ok?

 

[jamil]

If you think that it's not racist to avoid people because of their race, I really don't think we have anything to discuss.

Well. That's binary thinking.

No. It's predudice. It's stereotyping. One could make a legitimate argument that he's a bigot. But you're so used to society using "racism" against everything racially related that you're incensed when someone wants to apply the right word to a given thing.

When I say it's not racism per se, you act like you think I'm not sufficiently disparaging Adams. And that's your mistake, not mine. We don't apply words because of their severity. We apply them because of their meaning. I get the feeling that you perceive that "racism" is the proper word because it's uber bad to be a racist. And it doesn't sound bad enough if you apply prejudice or stereotype, or even bigot.

I don't see where Adam's thinks his race is inherently superior. If you can find something he's said that would be indicative of that, then I'll say that's appropriate. But as it is, at worst he's just a bigot who is applying stereotypes and prejudice.