Circleville K9 Bites Black Man

[Sigblitz]

 

[Denny347]

They have an obligation to make sure other officers don’t screw up.

If feasable. But that is not very practical as much of that would rely on knowing what was going through someone's head just prior to the mistake. He came from a different direction than the Troopers, quite far away. They were significantly behind a 53' semi trailer. The driver at the cab, maybe 70ft total between driver and Troopers. How would the Troopers have prevented the officer from releasing the dog..."screwing up"?

They should have intervened in the attack. Look at it this way. If any dog was attacking a child and you were on site, what would you do? This circumstance should be treated the same way. I guess if officers would set and watch a child be mutilated by a dog, then they should do the same in this instance and vise versa. I would not be against putting the dog down if the shot was clear and the citizen was being injured. This gentleman, with his hands in the air and on his knees, deserved no less consideration than a young child being attacked by a stray dog.

Sigh, sounds like a pure emotional response here. Remove all emotion from it. You are comparing an adult vs. a dog and a child vs a dog. Images of children are FAR more emotional to adults than adult images are. Responses to those images are therefore different. Do I respond to the image of a dead adult in a ditch the same as a dead child in a ditch? No. Your comparison is only good to stir up emotions. The handler was on top of the dog the entire time, he was having trouble getting the dog to release but stlll, HE was the best equipped person to do so at the scene, without making it worse and getting MORE people injured.

 

[Denny347]

Personally, With what footage has been released all of LE should have intervened when the dog was cut loose. The K9 officer in my opinion with what I have seen lost his qualified immunity, as soon as he let the dog loose. He turned a K9 on a citizen that was obeying the Troopers.
The Troopers had control of the situation at hand. The told him more than once Not to release the dog on a citizen that was unarmed, on his knees with his hands up.
The Troopers should have cuffed and stuffed that officer that was the dog handler, and taken him to jail.

HOW DO YOU INTERVENE? People keep using that term but fail to describe what that looks like. Obvious excessive force claims will fall outside QI typically. QI does not prevent an officer from being arrested for battery by the prosecutor.

 

[Creedmoor]

HOW DO YOU INTERVENE? People keep using that term but fail to describe what that looks like. Obvious excessive force claims will fall outside QI typically. QI does not prevent an officer from being arrested for battery by the prosecutor.

Once the dog has been put back under control. After order was established again, place the K9 officer under arrest. His Sheriff could have arrested him back at the station.

I dont know Ohios laws, but I would guess Ohio has Excessive Force Laws.
Charge him with, Assault with a deadly weapon
Depraved Indifference / Reckless Endangerment for starters.

We need to do better, the man was complying and a K9 dog was turned out on him.
Is America really good when this happens?

 

[Denny347]

Once the dog has been put back under control. After order was established again, place the K9 officer under arrest. His Sheriff could have arrested him back at the station.

I dont know Ohios laws, but I would guess Ohio has Excessive Force Laws.
Charge him with, Assault with a deadly weapon
Depraved Indifference / Reckless Endangerment for starters.

We need to do better, the man was complying and a K9 dog was turned out on him.
Is America really good when this happens?

There is no such thing as an "excessive force" law. There are potentially MANY laws that were broken. It is rare that a prosecutor would want an outright arrest in such cases. It's not TV here and a clock starts ticking when the initial hearing starts. That PC used in the outright arrest is IT. No more investigating, you cannot add ANY evidence to it once it's filed. So if you want a COMPLETE and thorough investigation, you gather ALL pertinent information, give it to the prosecutor, they file the charges, and then you arrest the officer. That is typically how MANY serious crimes are handled. This is why you see a difference in time occurred and time arrested in the media. Of course, most people don't know that but somehow know how an investigation should happen.

 

[Creedmoor]

There is no such thing as an "excessive force" law. There are potentially MANY laws that were broken. It is rare that a prosecutor would want an outright arrest in such cases. It's not TV here and a clock starts ticking when the initial hearing starts. That PC used in the outright arrest is IT. No more investigating, you cannot add ANY evidence to it once it's filed. So if you want a COMPLETE and thorough investigation, you gather ALL pertinent information, give it to the prosecutor, they file the charges, and then you arrest the officer. That is typically how MANY serious crimes are handled. This is why you see a difference in time occurred and time arrested in the media. Of course, most people don't know that but somehow know how an investigation should happen.

Ok, I'm not an attorney, but one lives with me. Shes not here to call me stupid.
Excessive Force isnt the same as violating ones Constitutional Rights?

 

[Ryan12001]

Looks to me like the K9 officer couldn't handle his dog. It was dragging him like a little girl and then the dog got released. Yea he shoulda stopped right off the git go but at that point when his hands are up surrendering himself and dozen officers with weapons drawn on him it's game over.... he'll probably catch a couple charges but he's also gonna have a fat check coming if he has any kinda attorney

 

[manifest destiny]

There are potentially MANY laws that were broken. It is rare that a prosecutor would want an outright arrest in such cases.

I'm surprised to hear this. I would have thought cops that witness laws being broken, perhaps many laws broken, initiate arrests accordingly.

 

[Sigblitz]

I'm surprised to hear this. I would have thought cops that witness laws being broken, perhaps many laws broken, initiate arrests accordingly.

You carved out his post to support your argument.

Thank you for the explanation Denny.

 

[Creedmoor]

This video is 12 min long.

 

[Expat]

must have been a pretty good bite if they had to put a tourniquet on.

 

[KG1]

must have been a pretty good bite if they had to put a tourniquet on.

Stop being so emotional Expat. You're going to start a riot.

 

[Expat]

Stop being so emotional Expat. You're going to start a riot.

Good morning KG1.
I wear my heart on my sleeve

 

[KG1]

Good morning KG1.
I wear my heart on my sleeve

G'morning my friend. Might want to see a doctor for that. You could need a turkeyneck.

 

[Denny347]

Ok, I'm not an attorney, but one lives with me. Shes not here to call me stupid.
Excessive Force isnt the same as violating ones Constitutional Rights?

Criminally, it's just battery or similar (aggravated battery, etc) . At least State law wise. Federal law, well that is a entire different animal that takes the DOJ to investigate. 42 U.S.C 1983 Civil Rights violations are civil in nature.

 

[Denny347]

I'm surprised to hear this. I would have thought cops that witness laws being broken, perhaps many laws broken, initiate arrests accordingly.

They will IMEDIATELY report what they witnessed and an investigation is started. The officer is quickly removed from duty pending investigation/charges then termination. It's really the best way ensure nothing is missed.

 

[manifest destiny]

You carved out his post to support your argument.

Thank you for the explanation Denny.

No, I expressed surprise that officers don't always arrest immediately when witnessing illegal behavior. That seems counterintuitive to me. And just to be clear, my position is that I don't agree with using police k9's to attack suspects.

 

[Creedmoor]

Criminally, it's just battery or similar (aggravated battery, etc) . At least State law wise. Federal law, well that is a entire different animal that takes the DOJ to investigate. 42 U.S.C 1983 Civil Rights violations are civil in nature.

They will IMEDIATELY report what they witnessed and an investigation is started. The officer is quickly removed from duty pending investigation/charges then termination. It's really the best way ensure nothing is missed.

Thank you.

 

[Sigblitz]

No, I expressed surprise that officers don't always arrest immediately when witnessing illegal behavior. That seems counterintuitive to me. And just to be clear, my position is that I don't agree with using police k9's to attack suspects.

My bad. I read it a different way because the explanation wasn't quoted.

That PC used in the outright arrest is IT. No more investigating, you cannot add ANY evidence to it once it's filed. So if you want a COMPLETE and thorough investigation, you gather ALL pertinent information, give it to the prosecutor, they file the charges, and then you arrest the officer.

 

[armalitesheepdog]

I agree. The media is literally race baiting.

I cannot recall a media headline that (would) read something like:

Pickaway County, Ohio K-9 unit attacks an unarmed White man​

Pickaway County, Ohio K-9 unit attacks an unarmed Latino man​

Pickaway County, Ohio K-9 unit attacks an unarmed Asian man​

Pickaway County, Ohio K-9 unit attacks an unarmed Scandinavian man​

Pickaway County, Ohio K-9 unit attacks an unarmed Easter European man​

Pickaway County, Ohio K-9 unit attacks an unarmed Slavic man​

Pickaway County, Ohio K-9 unit attacks an unarmed Inuit man​

Pickaway County, Ohio K-9 unit attacks an unarmed Polynesian man​

Pickaway County Ohio K9 unit attacks unarmed INGO Member.....lol
That would never happen either