Vortex sent me a new Venom not long ago and I took off the 2X Leupold that was on my my 617-1 and mounted the new Venom on there. This was from July 5th , everyone must have been worn out from the 4th as I had the range to myself and tried 12 shots at 25 yds and 12 shots at 50 yds from standing firing SA. Evidently the 10 ring at 50 had some kind of force field thing going.