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  • Lars

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    Great Read. Can we quit discussing "caliber" now? ;)

    == "Self defense, stopping power, ==
    and caliber"


    by Grant Cunningham



    I've gotten a bunch of emails recently regarding the choice of an appropriate self-defense caliber and/or bullet. Around this one topic swirls more misinformation - and outright inanity - than any other I can think of.

    And now, here's mine! What follows is a layman's understanding, backed by years of hunting and shooting experience, of the practical mechanics of wound ballistics. It is not intended to be a complete and exhaustive study of the subject. Instead, I hope to give my readers - who are, in all likelihood, layperson's themselves - a solid base of information to help make good decisions when choosing self defense ammunition.

    Let's start by understanding that in a self-defense scenario our goal is simply to cause the perpetrator of a crime to cease immediately his/her antisocial activities. That's it - we want the miscreant to quit doing whatever it was that caused us to draw our gun in the first place. The closer to "immediately" that this occurs, the better for all concerned.

    There are two mechanisms by which this can be accomplished: psychological incapacitation and physical incapacitation.

    The first - psychological incapacitation - is the least predictable of the two. Some people will stop and run when grazed by a well-thrown rock, others will soak up all manner of chemical, electrical, and physical deterrents without so much as flinching. Since we cannot count on delivering a reliable jolt to a criminal's psyche, we must focus on doing enough physical damage to cause cessation of action through reduction of motor skills.

    On this subject has been constructed all manner of measures, each attempting to quantify the unquantifiable: "One shot stops." "Knockout index." "Wound channel volume." There are more, and none of them ever seem to agree (at least most of the time) on what actually works.

    Well, folks, hunters have known something for a very long time, and it has been proven in the field again and again: to reliably put the brakes on a living entity, a bullet must do what I call The Twin Tasks.

    1) It has to get to something the body finds important, and
    2) It has to do rapid and significant damage to that thing when it arrives.

    That's it. Either, by itself, simply won't deliver the results we seek - at least, not in the physical sense. If the projectile fails at either of these Tasks, any success that occurs is in fact a product of psychological incapacitation, which we already know to be both unpredictable and unreliable.

    Keep in mind that as the bullet traverses the target, it may repeat the Tasks; in other words, it may encounter more than one thing the body finds important. The more times that it does, and then completes the second Task, the faster the incapacitation is likely to occur. (Note that I didn't say "will", only "likely to". Handgun rounds are underpowered things, and with them nothing is ever certain.)

    Within certain limits, it doesn't really matter what the caliber is or what the bullet is made of or how fast it travels, as long as it does both of the Tasks. That's why there seems to be such a wide range of calibers, weights and velocities that have shown "good" results in self defense shootings, and why arguments about "stopping power" rage on the gun forums: there is, as the saying goes, more than one way to skin a cat.

    Remember, as long as both Tasks are accomplished, the envelope of "how" they are is large enough to encompass a variety of approaches.

    The reason that the "heavy and slow" and "light and fast" bullet camps exist is because, generally, their choices just happen do both of those Tasks on a fairly regular basis. Arguing about which is the "better" approach is really quite silly, because when they work it's because they did both Tasks, regardless of the actual mechanism; when they fail, it is simply because they didn't do one (or both) of the Tasks, again regardless of their physical attributes.

    It's at this point that someone invariably chimes in "but my cousin is engaged to a girl whose brother-in-law heard about a guy who saw someone shot a fifteen times with a 9mm, and the victim was still able to walk into a French restaurant, order a 5-course meal, eat, chat with the sommelier, and stiff the waiter before finally collapsing on the sidewalk while waiting for his cab! That's why I carry a .467 Loudenboomer Ultra Grande - if it hits them in the pinky the hydrostatic shock wave will knock them down!"

    I'm exaggerating, you understand, but if you regularly haunt the gun forums you'll recognize that it isn't all that far off.

    Yes, small caliber bullets fail. Guess what? Large caliber bullets fail, too. As someone once told me, "put on your big-boy pants and deal with it!"

    A good friend of mine gave me a first-hand account of a battle incident wherein a fellow absorbed several large caliber, solid torso hits, and was still able to jump from his vehicle and cross a road before finally collapsing. The gun in question? A .50 caliber heavy machine gun.

    Yes, you read that correctly. Sometimes, folks, nothing works.

    Our job, then, is to choose those calibers and bullets which seem to do the Two Tasks fairly reliably, and prepare to deal with the times that it just isn't enough. (With handgun rounds, those times are more common than the gunshop commandoes would have you believe.)

    In the next installment, we'll take a layman's look at the physics involved.
     

    hunter480

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    The .45 acp is the surperior round.

    9mm is a fast round, too fast, wants to pass thru everything. The round only effectively passes all energy to the target when it expands and stays in the target. Sure, a 9mm size hole is a bitch and all, when you look down and see that hole squirting blood, but it won`t likely effectively stop an attack immediately.

    As was said before, the .40 has the same basic ballestics as the .45, with higher pressures and recoil, so what are you gaining?

    The "flying bathtub" is the best defensive round ever known in a handgun.
     

    hunter480

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    Flying Ashtrays, bathtubs, whatever still suck. See three or so posts above. Guy was shot twice with the amazing .45 and lived.
    once in the forehead even. How can it be.....

    Well, stuff happens. And IF that really happened, and that`s a huge IF, you still want the round that provides the highest percentage chance for a "one-shot-stop".

    There are all sorts of things that factor in-like heavy clothing, even a coat, windshields in a vehicle, anything that may cause the bullet to slow, deflect, or whatever. But all things being equal, the .45 acp is the best defensive handgun available.
     

    TomN

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    One shot stops are nice to hope for but unlikely. Let's face it, handguns are just not all that powerful. The difference between a 9mm, .40, or .45 is negligible at best. It's all about shot placement because a hit with a 9mm beats a miss with a .45 any day.

    And what exactly is a "flying bathtub"?? I've never heard of it which is odd considering it's the best SD round in existence.
     

    epsylum

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    One shot stops are nice to hope for but unlikely. Let's face it, handguns are just not all that powerful. The difference between a 9mm, .40, or .45 is negligible at best. It's all about shot placement because a hit with a 9mm beats a miss with a .45 any day.

    And what exactly is a "flying bathtub"?? I've never heard of it which is odd considering it's the best SD round in existence.

    I agree. I think he is referring to the old Speer Gold Dot (200gr. IIRC) "flying ashtrays" that had a huge cavity and gave many guns feeding issues. That last part alone makes me wonder about his statement of them being the "best".

    Pick the most caliber you can effectively shoot since shot placement is key.

    BTW, my main sidearm is a .45acp, but I wouldn't feel undergunned with a good 9mm.
     

    Prometheus

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    9mm is 9mm
    40s&w is 10mm
    .45 auto is 11mm

    You guys are debating a difference of all of 2mm at it's most extreme. It's already been said many times, but just to beat a dead horse: shot placement.
    :thumbsup:
     

    TomN

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    I agree. I think he is referring to the old Speer Gold Dot (200gr. IIRC) "flying ashtrays" that had a huge cavity and gave many guns feeding issues. That last part alone makes me wonder about his statement of them being the "best".

    Pick the most caliber you can effectively shoot since shot placement is key.

    BTW, my main sidearm is a .45acp, but I wouldn't feel undergunned with a good 9mm.

    Oh the old Speer Flying Ashtray.

    bleh

    The new design Gold Dots are head and shoulders above those old rounds. Heck any modern ammo is probably better at expansion, not to mention feeding. :thumbsup:
     

    ajeandy

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    Anything you can accurately put multiple rounds on target with...9mm is the least expensive that performs to FBI standards and is carried by many LE agencies.
     

    Amishman44

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    Shoot what you shoot best.
    The more rounds on target in the shortest amount of time is best.
    Each of the rounds has its good and bad points. This is not a game.
    Find the gun that you can handle the best.
    Most are now available in various calibers. Try to use each.

    I concur that shooting what you handle best is more important that which caliber you choose...although choosing a viable caliber is best!
    Shot Placement is #1 concern...
    Penetration is #2 concern...
    Stopping the 'immediate and viable threat' is the objective...


    Personally, I prefer a .45 acp...I like the way it shoots, I am most accurate with it, and it comes in a heavy enough bullet weight that I am more comfortable with it from a reliability viewpoint.
     
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