Another problem as I see it is that there is no severe penalty for..............

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The Jews accused Jesus of lying. Pilot didn’t care what Jewish law he broke, really. He just wanted to appease the jews because he didn’t want trouble. He could only punish him for breaking Roman laws. When Jesus admitted he’s the king of the jews, that’s the law he broke as a crime against Caesar. Not lying.

Being king of the Jews wasn't a crime against Ceasar though. The Jews had kings while under Roman rule, didn't they?

 

[jamil]

I always thought the king of the Jews thing was just part of the mocking. I think Pilot was probably mocking the Jews for condemning an innocent man over Barrabus.

That’s the way pilot said it. The penalty for lying wasn’t crucifixion. Making the claim of being a deity was the crime. But as Insaid, I think Pilot was just looking for a way to appease the Jews because he didn’t want trouble in his disctrict.

 

[Kutnupe14]

No! That's not true. He was crusified for claiming to be the Son of God.
Pilate is the one who said he was king of the jews and had it posted on the cross.

Keeping in mind that monotheism was a Roman thing yet....well yes, and no. He replied, when asked, that he was the son of God, and the priests wanted him put to death for that. Pilate used the legal reason of him claiming he was "King of the Jews," to justify execution.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

That’s the way pilot said it. The penalty for lying wasn’t crucifixion. Making the claim of being a deity was the crime. But as Insaid, I think Pilot was just looking for a way to appease the Jews because he didn’t want trouble in his disctrict.

If I were a strict Calvinist, I'd he was just doing what he was predestined to do.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Keeping in mind that monotheism was a Roman thing yet....well yes, and no. He replied, when asked, that he was the son of God, and the priests wanted him put to death for that. Pilate used the legal reason of him claiming he was "King of the Jews," to justify execution.

As I remember it, when questioned by Pilot, Jesus didn't say he was anything.

 

[Itchytriggerfinger]

Yes we do.
Read the Bible and learn something.

I've read the Bible. Several versions in fact. Some of the best fiction I've found.

 

[Kutnupe14]

As I remember it, when questioned by Pilot, Jesus didn't say he was anything.

The priests questioned him, as witnesses.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I've read the Bible. Several versions in fact. Some of the best fiction I've found.

 

[Itchytriggerfinger]

You haven't put me on ignore yet?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The priests questioned him, as witnesses.

Right. But that was before they took him to Pilot. Before Pilot, they made their accusations and Jesus didn't defend himself (as prophesied) as I remember reading, he didn't say much at all before Pilot.

 

[Kutnupe14]

You haven't put me on ignore yet?

I don't put people on "official" ignore.
I see no reason to be disparaging to one's faith. If one proposes that Jesus might be a liar, stating "we don't know for sure".... how does one then refer to the Bible as fiction, if as previously stated "we don't know for sure?" It's playing both sides, for whatever reason one chooses to believe.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Right. But that was before they took him to Pilot. Before Pilot, they made their accusations and Jesus didn't defend himself (as prophesied) as I remember reading, he didn't say much at all before Pilot.

They asked him if he was the son of God, and he stated "I am."

 

[Itchytriggerfinger]

I don't put people on "official" ignore.
I see no reason to be disparaging to one's faith. If one proposes that Jesus might be a liar, stating "we don't know for sure".... how does one then refer to the Bible as fiction, if as previously stated "we don't know for sure?" It's playing both sides, for whatever reason one chooses to believe.

Well thank you for clarifying. Your insight, as always, has been most helpful.

Sorry, ran out of purple.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

They asked him if he was the son of God, and he stated "I am."

Right.at the temple, not before Pilate. I went to refresh my memory:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+27&version=ESV

They made the charges when they took him before Pilate. Pilate could find no reason to convict him.

 

[jamil]

Well thank you for clarifying. Your insight, as always, has been most helpful.

Sorry, ran out of purple.

It’s in the tool bar above the text box. It’s the icon with an ‘A’. You click that and pick purple. You need to highlight the text you want “purpled” first though. Don’t worry because it’s an html control rendered by your browser, it never runs out of purple.

You’re welcome. The helpdesk is always happy to assist with these technical questions. But you might try the faq.

 

[Itchytriggerfinger]

It’s in the tool bar above the text box. It’s the icon with an ‘A’. You click that and pick purple. You need to highlight the text you want “purpled” first though. Don’t worry because it’s an html control rendered by your browser, it never runs out of purple.

You’re welcome. The helpdesk is always happy to assist with these technical questions. But you might try the faq.

Shhhhh. I know where the purple is.

 

[BugI02]

This should be an interesting discussion. Should "free speech," only cover (as far as spoken statements) factual speech? Should one be compelled to do reasonable due diligence when passing on things they believe?

Specious. Who will you trust to make that determination, to pass judgement on whether you made sufficient effort?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes

 

[BugI02]

What if Jesus was a liar? I mean, we don't really have proof do we?

Perhaps you're only familiar with the latter half of the quote

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

 

[Itchytriggerfinger]

Perhaps you're only familiar with the latter half of the quote

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

"All Bible verses you see on the internet are automatically legit." - Optimus Prime 10:17

 

[BugI02]

All generalizations are false, even this one