Army's new SIGs ejecting live rounds, can't handle standard ball ammo.

[Butch627]

Sig Sauer is engraved all over it. They MADE THE PROFIT ON IT. They are responsible for their product.

Did you do the research before buying it and knew that it was not designed or manufactured by Sig? Did you buy it knowing that it was a well know failure prone device? What does the Mosquito have to do with the 320? Did you buy a Cadillac Cimarron?

 

[HoughMade]

C'mon, ejecting live rounds? Sounds like a "tactical reload" to me.

..but two points:

First, I don't know we could reach any conclusions about the M17 and M18 without reviewing the equivalent reports for the competitor pistols.

Second, sometimes business is obtained in nonstandard ways, like when Sterling, Cooper, Draper, Pryce got the Jaguar account.

[video=youtube;g8ATBRGg6CA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ATBRGg6CA[/video]

 

[M67]

Sig Sauer is engraved all over it. They MADE THE PROFIT ON IT. They are responsible for their product.

When you have an issue with a "Colt" 1911 .22 or a .22 AR of "theirs", do you send it to Colt for work or to Umarex?

Back when their were "Marlin" rifle scopes, same thing, send it to Marlin or the real manuf.?

Not saying that they aren't responsible to some degree, but you didn't own a real Sig, like the examples above, you don't own a "real" Colt. After all the years they had their name on the gun and how many issues there were with it, they should have just hired a couple people from GSG who actually made the thing and knew how it operated

 

[Beowulf]

Whew, the hits keep coming.

If all of this had come out earlier, I probably wouldn't have bought my P320 X-Five... which would have been a bit of a shame, as I really like the pistol. I just got it back from the "voluntary" upgrade and the trigger feels pretty good (it was nice before though).

Whelp, I guess I'll keep shooting it until it blows up and kills me. I don't imagine it's accrued any additional resale value over the past few months.

 

[rvb]

C'mon, ejecting live rounds? Sounds like a "tactical [STRIKE]re[/STRIKE]unload" to me.

... lets you get to the tactical reload sooner!

-rvb

 

[HoughMade]

... lets you get to the tactical reload sooner!

-rvb

Sure does. In any event, anything that get's good ammo on the ground is a good thing...I guess.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

How could such things not be caught in the testing phase?

You assume the testing guns and the issued guns are the same. Sig's QC is sporadic, particularly with the polymers. I can completely believe that a given batch didn't have any issues and the next batch was complete trash. If you get a good one, you've got a good one. It's starting to look like a lottery, though, to get one that shoots point of aim, is reliable, and doesn't fire or fall apart if dropped.

If I had a known good one, I'd not be in a big rush to dispose of it, but I personally wouldn't hop on the polymer Sig bandwagon any time soon. Which pains me to say, I *want* Sig to succeed and to be what they once were. Now what the excel at is life style marketing, not pistol making.

 

[Vigilant]

It's starting to look like a lottery, though, to get one that shoots point of aim, is reliable, and doesn't fire or fall apart if dropped.

Sig Sauer, the Taurus of the North!

 

[SOUP]

My 226 has never done that! This has me thinking I should second guess a 365 and stick with my older, bulkier 226.

 

[Trigger Time]

Pieces of **** and Sig knew it and lied to the military at the potential death or injury of US soldiers down range relying on these pistols. Also there was shady business in the Army as well. They knew these were ****.
Also they are not reliably feeding with hollow points. Who wants one now?
The military needs to cancel the contract and get Glocks now. Then sue Sig and make them pay for the glocks they had to replace the sigs with.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

My 226 has never done that! This has me thinking I should second guess a 365 and stick with my older, bulkier 226.

I don't know anything about the 365, but I'd let others beta test it.

 

[Vigilant]

I don't know anything about the 365, but I'd let others beta test it.

if it was made in the 2K’s and says SIG, others should beta! I’ve beta’d an M400E for a couple of years now, it’s good.

 

[Vigilant]

Pieces of **** and Sig knew it and lied to the military at the potential death or injury of US soldiers down range relying on these pistols. Also there was shady business in the Army as well. They knew these were ****.
Also they are not reliably feeding with hollow points. Who wants one now?
The military needs to cancel the contract and get Glocks now. Then sue Sig and make them pay for the glocks they had to replace the sigs with.

Definitely seems as if some contracting fraud on the part of Sig, and Big Green Army May have been involved? Be curious to know if any of the Army program managers retire to Sig?

 

[Trigger Time]

Definitely seems as if some contracting fraud on the part of Sig, and Big Green Army May have been involved? Be curious to know if any of the Army program managers retire to Sig?

Yep. Both wouldn't surprise me

 

[HoughMade]

Do we have access to the reports of the equivalent testing of the competitors?

Also, the OP article refers to the testing process, not post-adoption issue. Is there any analysis of the as-issued pistols? The wording varies back and forth from references they make it sound like the initial batch for issue and additional testing. I'm unclear.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Do we have access to the reports of the equivalent testing of the competitors?

Also, the OP article refers to the testing process, not post-adoption issue. Is there any analysis of the as-issued pistols? The wording varies back and forth from references they make it sound like the initial batch for issue and additional testing. I'm unclear.

I believe it's two rounds of testing. The initial selection testing (bid sample testing), followed by ongoing post-selection testing (product verification testing).


The Army conducted bid sample testing from February 16through June 22, 2016....The Army entered into PVT in April 2017 for both the XM17full-size variant and XM18 compact variant MHS pistols

 

[Vigilant]

I believe it's two rounds of testing. The initial selection testing (bid sample testing), followed by ongoing post-selection testing (product verification testing).


The Army conducted bid sample testing from February 16through June 22, 2016....The Army entered into PVT in April 2017 for both the XM17full-size variant and XM18 compact variant MHS pistols

Was t Sig awarded the contract before all the tests were completed? I thought that was what Glock was protesting.

 

[phylodog]

Pieces of **** and Sig knew it and lied to the military at the potential death or injury of US soldiers down range relying on these pistols. Also there was shady business in the Army as well. They knew these were ****.
Also they are not reliably feeding with hollow points. Who wants one now?
The military needs to cancel the contract and get Glocks now. Then sue Sig and make them pay for the glocks they had to replace the sigs with.

I may have read the report wrong but I thought it said the pistols were running well with the "special" ammo which was a hollow point but were having issues with the ball ammo. That seems really bizarre to me and the opposite of what I would have expected.

 

[snowwalker]

Sig just seems to need to put out a dozen new models a year in every pattern and color scheme known to man.
Maybe they should go back to making good, solid, guns. Seems like it's been awhile since they did that.

S&W did that for awhile under very bad leadership and todays revolvers are a poor value compared to ones 20 years ago.

If you go to a plastic handgun stick to the king.

 

[Vigilant]

I may have read the report wrong but I thought it said the pistols were running well with the "special" ammo which was a hollow point but were having issues with the ball ammo. That seems really bizarre to me and the opposite of what I would have expected.

Youre right, the Sig was/is having trouble feeding BALL ammunition That apparently is manufactured specifically for Sig?