At least TRY to get it right, Pete!

[4651feeder]

You know he knows he's a longshot at winning the demoncratic nomination in this cycle....this latest political maneuver is meant to position him for 'greater' thangs in politics.....
Should the liberals win the Presidency any time soon, the best we could hope for with regard to ole Peter would be an appointment to an Ambassadorship or meaningless Dept. head position to rid Indiana of him and immediate effect of his politics.

 

[ATOMonkey]

The guy has a plan and he is working it. Everything he does is calculated and supports the goal he has set for himself.

I think his chances of winning the oval are a lot better than what people give him credit for.

He checks a lot of boxes

1) Military Service
2) Moderate (in appearance)
3) Young
4) Gay

He will continue to punch up and will gain notoriety for it. He will also come across really well on the debate stage, as being sensible and reasonable.

His policies are socialist, which puts him on even footing with all of the other democrats, and he has much better optics than all of the other candidates. Once he starts to poll better, the cash will start to flow in, and then the machine will really start to work.

 

[funeralweb]

The guy has a plan and he is working it. Everything he does is calculated and supports the goal he has set for himself.

I think his chances of winning the oval are a lot better than what people give him credit for.

He checks a lot of boxes

1) Military Service
2) Moderate (in appearance)
3) Young
4) Gay

He will continue to punch up and will gain notoriety for it. He will also come across really well on the debate stage, as being sensible and reasonable.

His policies are socialist, which puts him on even footing with all of the other democrats, and he has much better optics than all of the other candidates. Once he starts to poll better, the cash will start to flow in, and then the machine will really start to work.

Naval intelligence officer that made 0-3. I've seen a couple of puff ads showing pics of him in camo holding one of those scary rifles we're not supposed to have, describing what amounts to pulling guard duty. I thought the Navy had Seamen (did I spell that right?) for that.

 

[BugI02]

Or Episcopalian. Or maybe a more liberal branch of Friends (Quakers), or ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America), or... the first three are free, you'll have to research the rest yourself

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Well, two of your three examples have managed to score slightly better scripturally than people who believe in "nothing in particular" and "non-practicing Catholics", so I guess you've got that going for you

 

[HoughMade]

What are the metrics for measuring "acceptance of homosexuality"?

 

[BugI02]

What are the metrics for measuring "acceptance of homosexuality"?

For that particular article, among other things, acceptance of the supreme court ruling legalizing gay marriage. It's by RNS, which is left-center in it's leanings

https://religionnews.com/2015/06/30...uality-plus-their-reactions-to-scotus-ruling/

 

[Hohn]

Glad to see the AoG hasn't totally gone soft!

 

[HoughMade]

For that particular article, among other things, acceptance of the supreme court ruling legalizing gay marriage. It's by RNS, which is left-center in it's leanings

https://religionnews.com/2015/06/30...uality-plus-their-reactions-to-scotus-ruling/

Thanks. This is what they were measuring:

I was curious about what they were measuring because I'm sure there are those who will equate those in denominations/sects, etc. towards the bottom (ironically) as being hateful, wanting to stone "homos" or some such. That is not what that means, based upon the survey question.

I would discourage a lot of things in society that are not positive and are unbiblical. I would include adultery, fornication, pornography use, non-support of children, etc., but I'm not looking to stone any of the people who engage in these....but I would not want to encourage them and act like they are "normal" either. Further, societal acceptance doe snot equate to "normal" in my belief.

As for Pete, well, he's a Democrat with all the drawbacks that come with pushing that platform. His homosexuality means nothing to me from a perspective of who to choose as a political leader. There are a boatload of reasons I would never vote for him and that doesn't make the boat.

Theoretically, if there was a candidate who was exactly what I wanted in terms of policy and beliefs who was gay would that stop me from voting for him or her? No...though their beliefs about Obergefell would need to be sorted out. One can believe in gay marriage and still believe that Obergefell is bad law just as one can believe in decriminalization of abortion and believe Roe was bad law. Both have the same problem- they took matters historically left to the general police powers of the states and turned them into Constitutional rights with no textual or historical basis. They states should make these decisions based upon their own representative republican principles. In other words, pass the laws the electorate will support.

I've never really cared what religion a candidate was as long as they pushed the policy and had the political philosophy I believe is best for the country.

 

[Ziggidy]

Glad to see the AoG hasn't totally gone soft!

Amen!


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[BugI02]

Thanks. This is what they were measuring:

So, does that affect my conclusion that, on that scale, the Episcopal and the ELCA score only slightly better (from my point of view) than people who believe in "nothing in particular" and "non-practicing Catholics"

IMO those are not relative scores to be proud of


Edit: I withdraw the objection, just saw your edit of #28

 

[BugI02]

I took this discussion to turn on Pete's claim that he wasn't hearing condemnation of his lifestyle at his place of worship

My assertion is that is not because such condemnation does not exist in scripture. He's not hearing it because he has chosen a congregation that simply will never go there. Like the probability that the Clintons would not attend a church that placed emphasis on the seven deadly sins because they probably are guilty of at least five

 

[HoughMade]

I took this discussion to turn on Pete's claim that he wasn't hearing condemnation of his lifestyle at his place of worship

My assertion is that is not because such condemnation does not exist in scripture. He's not hearing it because he has chosen a congregation that simply will never go there. Like the probability that the Clintons would not attend a church that placed emphasis on the seven deadly sins because they probably are guilty of at least five

I get it. He was brought up Catholic, now he is an Episcopal. It doesn't take too much to figure out why.

If Pete wants to talk theology, we can get into the creation of man and what the effects of the Fall were and are. We are are all imago Dei, but we are a dirty, fuzzy reflection of the Creator. What we "are" is not only based upon God's act of creation, but upon the effects of the Fall and our own free will as sinful, fallen people. It is illogical, and unbiblical to assume that whatever you "are" is endorsed by God simply because you "are". That goes for all of us.

 

[Ziggidy]

I get it. He was brought up Catholic, now he is an Episcopal. It doesn't take too much to figure out why.

If Pete wants to talk theology, we can get into the creation of man and what the effects of the Fall were and are. We are are all imago Dei, but we are a dirty, fuzzy reflection of the Creator. What we "are" is not only based upon God's act of creation, but upon the effects of the Fall and our own free will as sinful, fallen people. It is illogical, and unbiblical to assume that whatever you "are" is endorsed by God simply because you "are". That goes for all of us.

I totally agree; however, we are not politicians running for office on a platform that sin is ok.

We are allowed to comment on that without ignoring our own plank. I'm no better but - I do not endorse sin, even my own.

 

[HoughMade]

I totally agree; however, we are not politicians running for office on a platform that sin is ok.

We are allowed to comment on that without ignoring our own plank. I'm no better but - I do not endorse sin, even my own.

I agree that when someone runs for office, they put pretty much everything about themselves into play.

My comments were primarily directed at his claim that he was created "this way". Since Adam and Eve, no one has entered existence according to God's perfect vision of what they should be....except that one other Guy.

 

[Ziggidy]

I agree that when someone runs for office, they put pretty much everything about themselves into play.

My comments were primarily directed at his claim that he was created "this way". Since Adam and Eve, no one has entered existence according to God's perfect vision of what they should be....except that one other Guy.

Agreed.....I read your post too fast for these slow eyes.

 

[GREEN607]

I think Peter ought to stay right where he is now. After all............ he loves the 'south bend'.

 

[IndyDave1776]

South Bend mayor Pete Buttigieg (pronounced 'boot-edge-edge') need to stop feuding with VP Pence; and he needs to actually LEARN what the holy scriptures say about being 'gay'.

Check the last sentence in this article.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-escalates/ar-BBVM2iz?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U452DHP

Right there, named for exactly what he needs applied to his ass.

 

[Leadeye]

The people he's worked for in the past like Cohen Group and Mckinsey are what disqualify him for office in my opinion. Those guys see themselves as rulers not representatives of the people. He and Hillary would make a good team, if selling everything out to the highest bidder foreign or domestic was the objective.

 

[HoughMade]

Well, at this point it's pretty clear that he is:

#1 Trying to get his name out there to be considered for future positions (he did try to become the chairman of the DNC), and possibly
#2 Running for Vice President in 2020.

 

[printcraft]

.....
#2 Running for Vice President in 2020.

Weiner/Buttgig 2020