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COUNTER PROTEST March 24th "March for Our Lives" - VALPARAISO
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Sunday best....like your best olive drab cargo pants, your best Molon Labe' t-shirt and best "Don't tread on me" hat with your best orthodox priest looking beard?
brotherbill3
Master
OK
Have we all forgotten the very large - and well armed - openly carried - rallies at the State House of 2013 and 2014 ? ...
I haven't (yet) ...
People were open carrying everything - pistols, rifles, shotguns, From Flint Lock to the most modern looking space aged bullpups -
from 22s to 50 BMG (yes, there was at least 1, but doubt I have the photos anymore)
- There was even an assault hammer (yup hammer w/ AR type stock for handle attachment).
I think these were both started by GRAA - Gun Rights Across America
But I do not know a local contact.
The issues that develops from this - and more so at counter rallies - is media presence and control ...
Having a system for a speaker - and making sure you are well spoken; concise, clear and on point is important.
LSM will twist anything they can - MSM will gravitate towards this.
(like for example when in 2014 - 3 or 5 of us were "SWARMING" the MDA folks at the state house - all 50-60 of them that were bused in)
That's why I said leave space. And while you can request No OC ( or perhaps only normally OC'd EDC's - that is how I went most times)
to say NO OC isn't gonna win any more point for or against than just being there; but it may keep some folks from wanting to participate.
Also - to save you some possible issues - Minors - no on carrying more than sign. Its in the code and this could be a violation.
Have we all forgotten the very large - and well armed - openly carried - rallies at the State House of 2013 and 2014 ? ...
I haven't (yet) ...
People were open carrying everything - pistols, rifles, shotguns, From Flint Lock to the most modern looking space aged bullpups -
from 22s to 50 BMG (yes, there was at least 1, but doubt I have the photos anymore)
- There was even an assault hammer (yup hammer w/ AR type stock for handle attachment).
I think these were both started by GRAA - Gun Rights Across America
But I do not know a local contact.
The issues that develops from this - and more so at counter rallies - is media presence and control ...
Having a system for a speaker - and making sure you are well spoken; concise, clear and on point is important.
LSM will twist anything they can - MSM will gravitate towards this.
(like for example when in 2014 - 3 or 5 of us were "SWARMING" the MDA folks at the state house - all 50-60 of them that were bused in)
That's why I said leave space. And while you can request No OC ( or perhaps only normally OC'd EDC's - that is how I went most times)
to say NO OC isn't gonna win any more point for or against than just being there; but it may keep some folks from wanting to participate.
Also - to save you some possible issues - Minors - no on carrying more than sign. Its in the code and this could be a violation.
brotherbill3
Master
Glad you found the video;
And you're correct w/ your questions - it is true that the large rallies - were just that - independent rallies -
Not Counter Rallies
Still - counter rallies are generally smaller ... We (IMAGC) and MDA have rally/counter rallied each other before;
I've been there / done that ...
This is why I said leave space - but your post brings another point up
Bring VIDEO - make sure you can document; what they say - AND how they say it - along with keep yourself Polite, presentable, professional
body language and spoken language matter.
We had a good sized rally in South Bend during that time period as well. I don't know who originated it but a local radio talk show host championed it and even got our Congresswoman to speak at it.
Many of us, if not most, were carrying long guns at it. It went off without a hitch.
I'm with you.
I will add that I think it's a bad idea to "counter-protest" at this event. Have your own march.
I FB messaged them yesterday and haven't heard anything yet, so I just might set up a FB event for South Bend soon.
I agree. That being said, I don't see a problem someone open carrying a sidearm if they are dressed normally (i.e. no tactical gear). Antigunners will exploit us even if no one was visibly armed.
I appreciate the responses guys.
I understand your guys' concerns. Yes, we may alienate some in our community by not allowing OC. This is the price we pay when we have to play politics. In the end, I believe it is worth the sacrifice of a few on the more extreme end, since it will give us a better image as a whole. Ideally, I would prefer everyone show up in their Sunday's best.
As far as the whole counter-protest vs protest thing - I think it goes without saying that I am NOT a community organizer. This was entirely reactionary, because I am tired of gun owners not having a voice, being ignored by the media, and just generally "losing". The media will not be able to ignore us here, and we will be seen/heard. I would love to plan a march later on independently, but this is what we have right now, so I'm running with it.
I have spoken with the Chief of Police, and will be sitting down with them Wednesday the 21st to discuss our parameters for the protest. I am confident this will be a positive show of force from the liberty-loving community.
I understand your guys' concerns. Yes, we may alienate some in our community by not allowing OC. This is the price we pay when we have to play politics. In the end, I believe it is worth the sacrifice of a few on the more extreme end, since it will give us a better image as a whole. Ideally, I would prefer everyone show up in their Sunday's best.
As far as the whole counter-protest vs protest thing - I think it goes without saying that I am NOT a community organizer. This was entirely reactionary, because I am tired of gun owners not having a voice, being ignored by the media, and just generally "losing". The media will not be able to ignore us here, and we will be seen/heard. I would love to plan a march later on independently, but this is what we have right now, so I'm running with it.
I have spoken with the Chief of Police, and will be sitting down with them Wednesday the 21st to discuss our parameters for the protest. I am confident this will be a positive show of force from the liberty-loving community.
You underestimate the power of stupid. They can certainly choose not to cover you, or worse, only cover what your group does wrong. "journalists" are very good at doing unbalanced work.
Good luck. If I were closer I'd be there in my sunday best.
I agree, I am trying to contact as many "gun-friendly" reporters in the area as possible. This is also why I am going for the "Sunday's Best" and no OCing look. It'll be hard to portray us in a bad light, if we all are peaceful, unarmed, and look great to boot!
I appreciate the support.
Is there an online list of these reporters, or do you personally know them? I just set up the South Bend demonstration:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1967918226857266/
And it's INGO topic:
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...es-counterprotest-march-24-a.html#post7460177
Timjoebillybob
Grandmaster
- Feb 27, 2009
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Why a "counter protest"? Just join them, we may or may not have different ideas of how to accomplish their stated goals, but...
They may feel that one of the best ways to counter it is to ban 18-20 yr olds from owning firearms, I think a better way is to let teachers and other school employees/volunteers be armed if they wish. Along with any other person that has a reason to be on school property. If I have to go in and sign my kid out for a Drs. appt, why should I not be allowed to defend her and myself (and possibly others) on the way back to the car?
See above, I'm willing to bet that most those who are planning on attending the original event are going to be pushing for increased restrictions. 18-20 yr olds prohibited from purchasing, "assault weapon" bans, "high capacity" magazine bans and such. I'm with them also on being against violence against our schoolchildren, well most of them anyway.
That case involved wearing armbands, not a walk out. Per the ruling "They caused discussion outside of the classrooms, but no interference with work and no disorder." Courts since have used the "disruption test" as a gauge of whether it is protected speech or not. I don't know of any involving a walkout by the students, but I wouldn't bet that the courts would say it isn't enough of a disruption for the schools to not be able to ban them/punish those involved. There is another case where a student used "lewd language" during a speech and was suspended. He didn't use profanity, just innuendo. SCOTUS ruled that it wasn't protected free speech because of the disruption it caused. Another student displayed a sign with "bong hits for Jesus" across the street from the school when they went out to watch an Olympic torch rally, same result.
See above, no "counter-protest". Just a display of "counter-ideas/beliefs"
They may feel that one of the best ways to counter it is to ban 18-20 yr olds from owning firearms, I think a better way is to let teachers and other school employees/volunteers be armed if they wish. Along with any other person that has a reason to be on school property. If I have to go in and sign my kid out for a Drs. appt, why should I not be allowed to defend her and myself (and possibly others) on the way back to the car?
See above, I'm willing to bet that most those who are planning on attending the original event are going to be pushing for increased restrictions. 18-20 yr olds prohibited from purchasing, "assault weapon" bans, "high capacity" magazine bans and such. I'm with them also on being against violence against our schoolchildren, well most of them anyway.
That case involved wearing armbands, not a walk out. Per the ruling "They caused discussion outside of the classrooms, but no interference with work and no disorder." Courts since have used the "disruption test" as a gauge of whether it is protected speech or not. I don't know of any involving a walkout by the students, but I wouldn't bet that the courts would say it isn't enough of a disruption for the schools to not be able to ban them/punish those involved. There is another case where a student used "lewd language" during a speech and was suspended. He didn't use profanity, just innuendo. SCOTUS ruled that it wasn't protected free speech because of the disruption it caused. Another student displayed a sign with "bong hits for Jesus" across the street from the school when they went out to watch an Olympic torch rally, same result.
See above, no "counter-protest". Just a display of "counter-ideas/beliefs"
Timjoebillybob
Grandmaster
- Feb 27, 2009
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I agree with them, something should be done to protect the kids at school. But my ideas of what should be done probably run counter to quite a few of them.
Why a "counter protest"? Just join them, we may or may not have different ideas of how to accomplish their stated goals, but...
They may feel that one of the best ways to counter it is to ban 18-20 yr olds from owning firearms, I think a better way is to let teachers and other school employees/volunteers be armed if they wish. Along with any other person that has a reason to be on school property. If I have to go in and sign my kid out for a Drs. appt, why should I not be allowed to defend her and myself (and possibly others) on the way back to the car?
See above, I'm willing to bet that most those who are planning on attending the original event are going to be pushing for increased restrictions. 18-20 yr olds prohibited from purchasing, "assault weapon" bans, "high capacity" magazine bans and such. I'm with them also on being against violence against our schoolchildren, well most of them anyway.
See above, no "counter-protest". Just a display of "counter-ideas/beliefs"
MilitaryArms
Master
- Apr 19, 2008
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I look forward to seeing you guys out there.
brotherbill3
Master
"Interested" - so I can follow and Share - there is now 1 prepping in Indianapolis (FB friend started it yesterday) ...
sharing here and in other to get word out ... I am going to try to help "direct / coord" efforts ... since I've helped on these before. ... NO I don't want to be in charge.
INDY EVENT:
(Not this and the info w/ it is not mine ... I'm working to 'improve it' a bit) ...
https://www.facebook.com/events/446358172466990/
sharing here and in other to get word out ... I am going to try to help "direct / coord" efforts ... since I've helped on these before. ... NO I don't want to be in charge.
INDY EVENT:
(Not this and the info w/ it is not mine ... I'm working to 'improve it' a bit) ...
https://www.facebook.com/events/446358172466990/
I'll keep an eye on this one. Jessica is right, we need numbers (unless we get an extreme close up like the Moms funded by Doomberg and Soros.)
brotherbill3
Master
Just an FYI - but there are several more of these "Student Led" march for our lives events:
The "march" is also now a "DOT-COM" web site with FB page with 180,000 followers (in a month?) and the events are Global - ...
what? yeah.
That isn't student led - grass roots. ... just sayin. ... and sharin FYI.
The "march" is also now a "DOT-COM" web site with FB page with 180,000 followers (in a month?) and the events are Global - ...
what? yeah.
That isn't student led - grass roots. ... just sayin. ... and sharin FYI.
