Do You Train For After Use of Force?

[Selfpreservation]

I’m afraid of bad advice from people that wish to see me as a skell. As a pleb ripe to pay my dollars on a class...

lawyer up. And expect it to likely be one of the most expensive fights of my life.

Sounds like some one has already given you bad advice.

 

[Selfpreservation]

I’m afraid of bad advice from people that wish to see me as a skell. As a pleb ripe to pay my dollars on a class...

lawyer up. And expect it to likely be one of the most expensive fights of my life.

Was it taught by a defense attorney? Convince you that a non lawyer could never use force and be able to decide what to do after without an attorney to do it for him? Oh, and by the way..have you already convinced AND willing to pay him a butt load of money to do it!?

If so, that's your choice.

 

[Vigilant]

My theory on getting held up. You're most likely going to get shot so the person can get away. It's been a common thing in the news, person gets what they want and shoots anyway.
You present your gun, and it's not going to be a standoff. They're definitely going to shoot now to get away. Only thing you can hope for is them being stunned long enough to get a couple rounds off. If you don't have the balls to shoot, odds are better for you if you don't present your weapon because they will shoot you for sure in about 2 seconds when they realize you won't. I will have my day in court, not on a slab.

I don’t think that you are picking up what was being put down?

 

[Clay Pigeon]

I’m afraid of bad advice from people that wish to see me as a skell. As a pleb ripe to pay my dollars on a class...

lawyer up. And expect it to likely be one of the most expensive fights of my life.

Sounds like some one has already given you bad advice.

Which part was the bad advice?

 

[Vigilant]

I’ve taken a use of force class, actually two. I received contradictory information from each! One was taught by current and former homicide investigators, the other by attorneys. Lawyer up and shut up/vs. make a brief statement and then lawyer up. Also, my FoF classes instilled in me to be the one to call 911, but give limited info, such as I was attacked, I need Police and EMS at....I’m more confused after the classes, than I was before. So, I purchased CCW Insurance, or in INGO parlance Larry Carry butt cover. I will make a small statement to police identifying myself or the one I protected as the victim, and then lawyer up. So much contradiction in this realm of training, I’m not sure it’s wotyh paying for?

 

[Selfpreservation]

Which part was the bad advice?

To just lawyer up and expect to pay a very expensive lawyer tab.

 

[Selfpreservation]

I’ve taken a use of force class, actually two. I received contradictory information from each! One was taught by current and former homicide investigators, the other by attorneys. Lawyer up and shut up/vs. make a brief statement and then lawyer up. Also, my FoF classes instilled in me to be the one to call 911, but give limited info, such as I was attacked, I need Police and EMS at....I’m more confused after the classes, than I was before. So, I purchased CCW Insurance, or in INGO parlance Larry Carry butt cover. I will make a small statement to police identifying myself or the one I protected as the victim, and then lawyer up. So much contradiction in this realm of training, I’m not sure it’s wotyh paying for?

I get what you are saying and I agree there is a lot of contradiction, however I don't see it as unique to this topic. I see it in every aspect of my training and teaching; Bjj, knife, firearms, evo, active shooter, you name it there's contradiction. In my opinion, a lot of that has to do with one way of thinking being repeated loud enough and often enough people take it as gospel.

I always tell my clients to train with as many different instructors as they can. Become as knowledgeable as possible on a subject, then you can better sort out what is worthwhile and what is BS or just doesn't apply to them.

 

[Tactically Fat]

https://www.activeresponsetraining.net/what-do-i-say-after-a-shooting

 

[chezuki]

Yes

Yes.

No.

 

[Coach]

Contradictory advice is common.
If one trainer tells you something go somewhere else until you hear what you want to hear.

Not just on law but everything else.

 

[cedartop]

I don’t think that you are picking up what was being put down?

Among other things.

 

[cedartop]

I’ve taken a use of force class, actually two. I received contradictory information from each! One was taught by current and former homicide investigators, the other by attorneys. Lawyer up and shut up/vs. make a brief statement and then lawyer up. Also, my FoF classes instilled in me to be the one to call 911, but give limited info, such as I was attacked, I need Police and EMS at....I’m more confused after the classes, than I was before. So, I purchased CCW Insurance, or in INGO parlance Larry Carry butt cover. I will make a small statement to police identifying myself or the one I protected as the victim, and then lawyer up. So much contradiction in this realm of training, I’m not sure it’s wotyh paying for?

Pretty much. May want to add the knife/gun the bad guy used is over there in the bushes, or whatever would be appropriate.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

To just lawyer up and expect to pay a very expensive lawyer tab.[/QUOTE]

Is that what you tell your students?

 

[GIJEW]

Which part was the bad advice? [from 'clay pidgeon']

To just lawyer up and expect to pay a very expensive lawyer tab.

That sounds like getting a doctor and expecting a big bill because I have some medical emergency. I wouldn't dream of representing myself

 

[obijohn]

How many of you train for dealing with law enforcement after a use of force incident, deadly or otherwise? I often see posts here and else where talking about shooting, combatives, tactical classes etc., but rarely, if ever, see anyone talking about training for after the incident.

We do. Every class.

 

[MCgrease08]

I'm not exactly sure what's going on in this thread and I've been avoiding it since I first saw it posted. Despite being very confused, I must say, somehow it's going pretty much exactly the way I expected it would be.

 

[printcraft]

All I know is beware the dark side... it's quicker, easier, more seductive.
For once you start down the dark path forever will in dominate your destiny.
Consume you it will.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

All I know is beware the dark side... it's quicker, easier, more seductive.
For once you start down the dark path forever will in dominate your destiny.
Consume you it will.

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[DRob]

Best thing I can advise is don't get your advice from a forum.