Erdogan's Bodyguards Attack Protestors in Washington DC

[AmmoManAaron]

So what happens if this were in a jurisdiction where a protestor, or even a curious passerby, is carrying and some dervish jumps him, with the end result being the armed victim aerates him?

Diplomatic immunity doesn't make ya bulletproof.

A very good point and good question. It would turn into a circus for sure.

Turkey has really gone down the toilet with this Islamist ******* in charge there.
Through the Cold War, they were one of our best allies, so this is the unintended consequences of a common enemy being neutralized and sectarianism filling the void.
Scumbags like Erdogan flourish in the ME, while the few good guys such as Sadat get assassinated.

Their last hope was the half-hearted attempted coup a while back. The Turkish people would be a lot better off today had it been successful. Past military coups in Turkey resulted in a restoration of self-gov't once the Islamists were dealt with.

The Kurds were protesting that their main political outlet being labeled as a "terrorist" organization by Turkey. If you get a chance, read up on the Kurds. They are about the only group in the region I would want to do business with. But the Turks fear them because they want an autonomous government.

It isn't like Turkey is exactly stellar on respecting minority rights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

As a people, the Kurds have been a steadfast ally, and Turkey and others such as Saddam have unjustly abused them...but be cautious in your embrace of them since several of the main groups, such as the SDF, are some form of leftist/socialist/marxist.

 

[gregr]

I'm not trying to be a jerk off here. If I sound like an idiot, its an education thing. I got a negative rep from someone for a "stupid comment" because these people have s right to protest and not get beat up. So, insofar as I can tell in the video, its not clear who initiated the physical end state. I could be wrong, as I sometimes am, but if you're going to tell me I'm am idiot why not get it out here in the open? Try a bit of educating

Emotions get in the way of reasoned dialogue, then it`s lost. I am one who says, absolutely, protesters have every right to be there, and to also expect to not be assaulted. It was disappointing that police, 1). didn`t seem to be concerned with keeping them safe, and, 2) didn`t take the thug bodyguards into custody on the spot. In America, we supposedly have the right to assemble, and these animals from this mooslim state have zero right to assault those assembled.

 

[KellyinAvon]

If you've heard this one before don't stop me, I want to hear it again

I had a bud in the USAF who was stationed in Turkey twice and deployed to Turkey during Northern Watch a time or two.

He described Operation Northern Watch (92-01ish) as "We guarded the Kurds Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays; the Turks bombed the Kurds Tuesdays and Thursdays."

 

[Libertarian01]

It is truly sad that Turkey has taken a very hard right turn away from democracy and a reasonable government.

It is my hope that Erdogan is replaced through legal and democratic means by a much less power hungry individual as soon as possible.

Regards,

Doug

 

[jamil]

Operator Zero and James Yeager could have stopped them.

 

[hog slayer]

And what a team they'd be together.

Where you been? I've been waiting on you to hop over here and teach me something about the politics of what I perceive to be terrible manners regardless of hurt feelings.

 

[jamil]

And what a team they'd be together.
Where you been? I've been waiting on you to hop over here and teach me something about the politics of what I perceive to be terrible manners regardless of hurt feelings.

Lolz.

Anyway. Someone tweeted a video showing Erdogan talking to one of his bodyguards, that guard then walk away and was subsequently seen among the bodyguards curb-stomping the protestors. So, it appears that the event that instigated the bodyguard's involvement was Erdogan telling them to do it.

I have nothing against protesters as long as they keep it peaceful, and don't disrupt people's lives. And it does not appear that these protesters deserved the curb-stomping they got. I see no evidence that they initiated any of the violence. Of course, it does seem plausible that they may have insulted Erdogan's mother.

 

[gregr]

Lolz.

Anyway. Someone tweeted a video showing Erdogan talking to one of his bodyguards, that guard then walk away and was subsequently seen among the bodyguards curb-stomping the protestors. So, it appears that the event that instigated the bodyguard's involvement was Erdogan telling them to do it.

I have nothing against protesters as long as they keep it peaceful, and don't disrupt people's lives. And it does not appear that these protesters deserved the curb-stomping they got. I see no evidence that they initiated any of the violence. Of course, it does seem plausible that they may have insulted Erdogan's mother.

Protesters have the right in America to assemble. They also have the right to insult the mooslim goons mamma. Assault is a criminal offense, period.

 

[jamil]

Protesters have the right in America to assemble. They also have the right to insult the mooslim goons mamma. Assault is a criminal offense, period.

Not for people with diplomatic immunity.

 

[hog slayer]

I strongly dislike discussions of rights without accompanying discussions of responsibilities.

 

[dudley0]

Banish them from our country.

If we can prove that Erdohan prompted it, then ban him as well.

If I understand it correctly, when they are on embassy grounds they are in their own country. Once they crossed that sidewalk it should be considered assault. Immunity should not stretch that way.

 

[oldpink]

I strongly dislike discussions of rights without accompanying discussions of responsibilities.

I do, too, so go on and explain the responsibility to get the crap beaten out of you by the goonsquad of an Islamist dictator as the price paid for demonstrating peacefully against said dictator.
I'll wait.

 

[jamil]

I strongly dislike discussions of rights without accompanying discussions of responsibilities.

It was made part of the discussion.

I have nothing against protesters as long as they keep it peaceful, and don't disrupt people's lives. And it does not appear that these protesters deserved the curb-stomping they got. I see no evidence that they initiated any of the violence. Of course, it does seem plausible that they may have insulted Erdogan's mother.

 

[oldpink]

It was made part of the discussion.

More...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Emphasis mine.

 

[gregr]

I do, too, so go on and explain the responsibility to get the crap beaten out of you by the goonsquad of an Islamist dictator as the price paid for demonstrating peacefully against said dictator.
I'll wait.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^

All due respect to hog slayer, because I do indeed respect you, and I agree that with rights come responsibility...but I see no way that these protesters brought upon themselves the assault that was delivered by these foreign thugs. And how I wish the protesters had been armed and put these animals down on the spot.

 

[hog slayer]

To my understanding, usually you're not able to carry on such an event as a protest. I'm sure there are other obvious facts about this case.

Nobody has yet shown how this started, at least to my knowledge. The black lives matter protests and the ANTIFA being most recent examples of the protests that we, Americans, are demonstrating tolerance and tendency for, who should I bias towards here? One side was present at the request of our commander in chief. The other side was not, but they represent our nation by choosing to be at that location. In this instance, with the information I currently an aware of, I'm inclined to say they ("peaceful" protestors) should have felt a responsibility to represent with more reserve.

Ultimately, yet again, another peaceful protest had turned violent

 

[gregr]

To my understanding, usually you're not able to carry on such an event as a protest. I'm sure there are other obvious facts about this case.

Nobody has yet shown how this started, at least to my knowledge. The black lives matter protests and the ANTIFA being most recent examples of the protests that we, Americans, are demonstrating tolerance and tendency for, who should I bias towards here? One side was present at the request of our commander in chief. The other side was not, but they represent our nation by choosing to be at that location. In this instance, with the information I currently an aware of, I'm inclined to say they ("peaceful" protestors) should have felt a responsibility to represent with more reserve.

Ultimately, yet again, another peaceful protest had turned violent

I`m obviously unaware, but, are protesters obligated to only have the right of peaceable assembly if unarmed? And please, do tell...how might the protesters have shown more "reserve"?

 

[dudley0]

I think that if the protesters had been armed there would have been a lot of dead protesters. I saw at least one of the goons with a gun. I imagine all of them had them, not to mention whomever else was in the embassy.

One shot fired would have not been good for either side, but my guess is that the protesters would have lost that round.

 

[Sylvain]

Banish them from our country.

If we can prove that Erdohan prompted it, then ban him as well.

If I understand it correctly, when they are on embassy grounds they are in their own country. Once they crossed that sidewalk it should be considered assault. Immunity should not stretch that way.

Embasssadors and parts of their staff have diplomatic immunity in the entire host country.Not just inside their embassy.
They can literally get away with murder, and some have (including killing cops in the host country).

I've seen a case in Paris where the son of a dilplomat assaulted people in the street, police was called, they arrested the guy but had to let him go as soon as he showed his diplomatic ID and his embassy comfirmed he had immunity.No charges could be held against him.

They get away with drunk driving, illegal parking and a bunch of stuff everyday.
They don't pay taxes either, some smuggle drugs, get away with rape etc.

The worst that can happen to dilplomats is being kicked out of the country.

 

[Sylvain]

I think that if the protesters had been armed there would have been a lot of dead protesters. I saw at least one of the goons with a gun. I imagine all of them had them, not to mention whomever else was in the embassy.

One shot fired would have not been good for either side, but my guess is that the protesters would have lost that round.

Not to mention a bunch of US DSS agents there to protect the Turkish president who would be forced to protect the Turkish delegation from armed protesters.