Eric Holcomb pushing for refugee resettlement in Indiana?

[CampingJosh]

Not our finest hour.
So what is your actual point being made here.....?????

-Are you OK with your area being over ran with cultures that have no desire to assimilate and live exactly as they did in the crap holes they were in.
We are not "OK" with this

Why is it on us to let them drain our already strained resources to the point that the medical and other sources we used have been shut down. Why. Please make a solid argument here because to me there is none.

It's on the United States to clean up the mess because we played a giant role in making the mess. That's my point.

Same thing for the refugees from Honduras that are currently trying to claim asylum on our southern border.

If you burn down your neighbors' house, you owe them a house. Same thing if you burn down their country and government.

 

[Tombs]

Not our finest hour.
So what is your actual point being made here.....?????

-Are you OK with your area being over ran with cultures that have no desire to assimilate and live exactly as they did in the crap holes they were in.
We are not "OK" with this

Why is it on us to let them drain our already strained resources to the point that the medical and other sources we used have been shut down. Why. Please make a solid argument here because to me there is none.

I agree with others that say we should just remove ourselves from these war like areas and let them sort it out but in the end other country's are at play here on the world stage. There is so much more to all of this than we are actually discussing.

Refugees should be in camps until they 1) learn the language…...2) show they have or gain some skills to be self supporting in this society. 3) and this is a huge one
with me.....

"LEARN TO FREAKING DRIVE"

"LEARN WHAT A LINE IS AN US IT PROPERLY"

"CUT YOUR GRASS AND KEEP YOUR TRASH IN THE PROVIDED CONTAINERS"

"1 Family per home".....Not 6.

I could go on and on and on here but hey.

So your line of reasoning is like this, "I robbed a bank, so what? I shouldn't be arrested or go to jail."

Actions have consequences, don't commit the action unless you accept those consequences. Adding extra fluff to it like "But other countries!" doesn't change the fact that those actions still have consequences.

No I do not want refugees here, therefor I do not want the US engaging in activity that creates them.

 

[TheDude]

It's on the United States to clean up the mess because we played a giant role in making the mess. That's my point.

Same thing for the refugees from Honduras that are currently trying to claim asylum on our southern border.

If you burn down your neighbors' house, you owe them a house. Same thing if you burn down their country and government.

According to the U.S. Department of Commerce, U.S. investment in Honduras was $1.1 billion for 2016 and $1.1 billion for 2017, largely concentrated in manufacturing, textiles, infrastructure construction, and wholesale trade. U.S. initiatives in international fora generally garner Honduran support.Feb 8, 2019


And we have an air base in Honduras since 1981 of which employs locals.

We are doing something, that doesnt mean they need to come here.

 

[CampingJosh]

According to the U.S. Department of Commerce, U.S. investment in Honduras was $1.1 billion for 2016 and $1.1 billion for 2017, largely concentrated in manufacturing, textiles, infrastructure construction, and wholesale trade. U.S. initiatives in international fora generally garner Honduran support.Feb 8, 2019


And we have an air base in Honduras since 1981 of which employs locals.

We are doing something, that doesnt mean they need to come here.

We funded the overthrow of their democratic government. $120 per person per year doesn't even begin to make up for it.

 

[2A_Tom]

I have learned one thing from this thread. Judlo os not a Libertarian.

 

[TheDude]

We funded the overthrow of their democratic government. $120 per person per year doesn't even begin to make up for it.

You realize this happens all the time by countries all over the world?

 

[BigRed]

Because I believe it's of social and moral benefit. Like I said I can't cure a sick child of a poor family either but I'm willing to pay my taxes, give to charity and am willing to send armed men to rob you of your resources to pay for someone else to.

Ah. Another progressive statist. (Please pardon my redundancy).

Excuse me while I try to put on my "I'm shocked" face.

 

[Jludo]

Ah. Another progressive statist. (Please pardon my redundancy).

Excuse me while I try to put on my "I'm shocked" face.

Just heterodox in my views. Not everyone fits into neat categories.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

OK, Boomer.

Is this the same one, or a different one that will tell all the convenience store owners to close down and take up arms against us?

Dude, the Hmong are here because they are the enemy of multiple totalitarian regimes over there.

So what you're saying is the Hmongs are here because they can't get along with pretty much anybody? Sure, why not import them here ? Purple

For real fo reals yo, between the possibility of ww3 kicking off, the possibility of boogaloo 2020 kicking off, now is seriously not the time to be importing anybody period.

We might be soon needing everybody that understands what it is to have been born and raised here in this special place.

That is unless that's all part of the plan of course. The UN is hiring a "Diss armament " specialist in NY .

If this country is gonna tear itself apart again , I have to wonder where their ( immigrants) loyalties would lay , with the will of the American people or their government ?

Obviously they weren't willing to fight for or get involved in the politics of their country so IMO , they'll gladly go wherever the handouts are coming from.

 

[churchmouse]

So your line of reasoning is like this, "I robbed a bank, so what? I shouldn't be arrested or go to jail."

Actions have consequences, don't commit the action unless you accept those consequences. Adding extra fluff to it like "But other countries!" doesn't change the fact that those actions still have consequences.

No I do not want refugees here, therefor I do not want the US engaging in activity that creates them.

It is far too late now. We have already screwed the pooch.



OK the mouse is reverting back to his old ways. I am going to watch some playoff football and scream at the TV. This is a waste of time and energy.

Carry on.

 

[churchmouse]

We funded the overthrow of their democratic government. $120 per person per year doesn't even begin to make up for it.

OK. So they can come and live with and around you. Over run your schools etc. Drive like idiots with no insurance etc.
What was your address again...????



Opps I posted again.....

 

[BugI02]

What does that have to do with advocating for certain government policies? I've never treated a poor kid for leukemia yet I can still advocate for Medicaid.
How many guys in their 20s do we expect to have the resources to single handedly take in and support a refugee family?
Im comfortable in where and how much I give to charity and what kind of an impact I can have on those around the world less fortunate than I am. That's all I can do at the moment but in the future I'd have zero qualms with taking in someone.

Then perhaps we feel a similar comfort with where we're at and what we do. Either be the change you want to see or stop trying to use government to force others to be that change

 

[TheDude]

https://dataomaha.com/refugees/state/in




Here is the amount of refugee intake since 2002. Indy gets em by the truckload apparently!! Sheesh!!


Also, behind Texas and New York, Indiana has received the 3rd largest amount of Hmong refugees in the country.


Indianapolis (12,863)
Burma/Myanmar: 9,859
Democratic Republic of the Congo: 768
Somalia: 624
Syria: 329
Iraq: 324
Eritrea: 212
Sudan: 172
Liberia: 110
Ethiopia: 103
Russia: 72
Cuba: 70
Iran: 40
Palestine: 30
Burundi: 26
Central African Republic: 25
China: 24
Pakistan: 11
Moldova: 9
Rwanda: 8
Sierra Leone: 6
Croatia: 6
Ukraine: 5
Serbia: 4
Indonesia: 4
El Salvador: 4
Uganda: 2
Vietnam: 2
Jordan: 2
Honduras: 2
Guinea: 2
South Africa: 1
Malaysia: 1
North Korea: 1
Gambia: 1
Congo: 1
Chad: 1
Sri Lanka (Ceylon): 1
Belarus: 1

 

[BugI02]

We need to end 90% of the immigration to this country.
It does more harm than good at this point.
Yeah I understand that everyone wants to live here and reap the rewards. Even if you are a hard worker. Well too bad. Its not a right to come here. We need to close the borders and start taking care of our own. Stop 50% of all foreign aid now and another 40% within 5 years too.

If we just close down until we assimilate the ones we already have, that will be at least a generation. We'll also have to deport the ones that want anything but the constitution (like sharia). Advocating for that should get you the boot immediately

 

[BugI02]

Surely you know the history of how the Hmong homeland turned into a crap hole, right?

They were doing fine in Indochina prior to French colonization. (Not great, mind you, but better than under the Fench.) Then when the people wanted freedom, we got into the war on the side of the colonizers rather than on the side of freedom; the Hmong people helped us anyway. They were American allies in the Vietnam War, and when we left, they were stuck fending for themselves under the new Communist regime.

They become refugees because they tried to make sure American soldiers weren't slaughtered. I am too young for Vietnam, but I would expect those who fought there would be appreciative of the Hmong and be their advocates.

I guess since we're now abandoning our allies the Kurds, I probably shouldn't have any such expectation. And our soldiers probably shouldn't expect any help from local people anywhere in the world anymore.

This seems dissonant. Are you saying we should have stayed in Indochina after the end of the Viet Nam war to make sure our allies were all taken care of or are you saying we should have let the Syrian Kurds come over here

Neither one seems like a particularly good or practical idea. The only upside is we might not be mired in Iraq now because we would still be mired in Viet Nam

I hope you know that Merkle threw open the gates in Germany because she expected to keep the best parts of the flood as new workers for German manufacturing and encourage the rest, via open borders, to keep moving - and they went for it because it got them into Europe

 

[bwframe]

How long before we start getting refugees from Virginia?

 

[BugI02]

The point is our Gov't ****ed up and there are consequences to ****ing up, some of which are dealing with the fallout of our **** ups.

The idea that the US unilaterally causes all the world's problems comes from left field and smells a bit progressive. I feel no guilt for decisions I took no part in

If there should be no collective punishment there sure as hell should be no collective guilt

 

[2A_Tom]

We are already getting refugees from Illinois that are likely not to assimilate.

 

[BugI02]

All the more reason to pull out of iraq and Afghanistan, as we spend 1000x the resources there as we do on refugees and our actions are a major cause of the refugee crisis to begin with.

This also rings hollow. I would spend money to make our own veterans whole before I would spend a dime on refugees. I mislike your priorities, sir

How utterly foolish to leave Iraq and Afghanistan so that those expenditures could be diverted to any but our own

 

[CampingJosh]

You realize this happens all the time by countries all over the world?

I'm honored to learn of your principled position.