While not buying into the glovebox gun idea, I would say that if I needed a cheap, reliable, effective handgun, it would be a police trade in Glock 27. I picked an early Gen 3 up last year for $249. It looks like it was carried every day since delivery but with a fresh set of springs, it’s been rock solid reliable.
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"Glovebox Guns" What's the ultimate?
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I guess folks can decide for themselves which is closer to data, tracking of factors that contributed to wins and losses in real world incidents from years of actual case files (aka 'anecdotes') or imagination.
I disagree. For example, if you have a commuter car that is parked in monitored parking during the day and garaged at night, I see no problem if the firearm is completely hidden, and you had the good sense not to plaster your vehicle with “gun guy” advertising stickers.
Why would someone break into a car with no obvious valuables or indications of such? Or when the car itself is older and high mileage?
Maybe I’ve seen too much on highway craziness and YT videos, but it seems to me that a vehicle might be a good place to have ready access to defensive tools, and drawing from concealment while seated is very difficult to do. Far better to have the firearm invisible when the car is parked, but handy when you are operating it.
I'm unaware of any data collection by any LE agency that includes factors like "why did he win/lose," since there are several factors that figure into each unique defensive encounter. The presence of an additional firearm in your vehicle is never the determining factor. The timing/tactics of when and where to deploy/not deploy is the critical factor here.
Folks can decide whether an additional available weapon is beneficial or not, with or without phantom "data."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/tennesse...gun-after-confronting-car-burglars-police-say
The thieves took the gun he had in his car and shot him with it.
The thieves took the gun he had in his car and shot him with it.
Dude. Do you not know what BBI does for a living? He's the one that collects said data firsthand as a robbery and homicide detective. (in the big city, no less) He sees firsthand what does and doesn't work as an investigator studying this stuff.
Nothing phantom about this data.
This.
On top of that, be discrete vs advertising your "come steal me." Always assume you are being watched, because you cannot know when you might be.
Don't gun up or gun down in your drive, at the curb or in the parking lot. Needless to say (?), cover your gun and anything that looks gun related or valuable coming in and out of the vehicle.
And shut your pie hole about guns to coworkers, neighbors, friends, family and everyone, if you are gonna ever leave any of them anywhere separate from you. Loose lips sink ships...
You'll never see a link to this "data," because all it consists of is anecdotes gathered over the course of one's regular job. It's not his job to collect this kind of data, it's his job to investigate crimes. Been there, done that, dude. And in a big city, no less. I've seen a .22 LR work like the Hammer of Thor, and I've seen .45 ACP fail to stop. What is that "data" worth?
Per usual on INGO, there is more than one point being batted around, and I personally like that as a stimulant for reasoning what I might do or not do.
To say that off-body carry in a vehicle will cause me to get shot, since that has happened to a certain number of people is to suggest that driving my car will cause me to get a speeding ticket, since that also happens to a certain number of people. It's possible to do both activities while also not contributing to the probability of either unfortunate outcome. Edit: Thinking more about that, I do have to say BBI's comment is well-taken. We learn more from people who know things that we don't and even if it doesn't keep me from sometimes carrying off-body, it's an important thing that I'd always consider to be a valuable consideration.
I can't carry my gun at all on work-days, so the only time I carry is during my off-time. And, if I know that I'm going somewhere that would require me to leave my gun in the vehicle unattended for anything more than a quick in-and-out someplace, I will most likely not take my gun, because I don't want to have it stolen. The only time that I always carry is when I'm trail-walking or when I go camping (which I do regularly), in which case the gun is always on my person, although on some occasions it may be unloaded deep in a backpack. I've never subscribed to the notion that I might as well carry a brick as to have an unloaded gun in my pack (but I understand why some do).
One thing that I really don't understand is why a person would leave any valuable thing in a vehicle over night, unless the vehicle was in a garage (my garage hasn't had room for a car in years, but I probably wouldn't do that even if it did). I don't carry a gun while working, but I do carry a laptop and sometimes some expensive equipment in my vehicle, and it all gets brought in the house at night. And, victim-blaming aside, I would consider myself a fool for leaving any of my valuables, including a gun in my vehicle in the driveway at night.
And, to answer the OP's original question, my car-gun is my carry gun, a 9mm Shield, although when I started carrying, it was a stainless Rossi M88 .38 revolver (that has the sweetest trigger of any pistol that I have).
To say that off-body carry in a vehicle will cause me to get shot, since that has happened to a certain number of people is to suggest that driving my car will cause me to get a speeding ticket, since that also happens to a certain number of people. It's possible to do both activities while also not contributing to the probability of either unfortunate outcome. Edit: Thinking more about that, I do have to say BBI's comment is well-taken. We learn more from people who know things that we don't and even if it doesn't keep me from sometimes carrying off-body, it's an important thing that I'd always consider to be a valuable consideration.
I can't carry my gun at all on work-days, so the only time I carry is during my off-time. And, if I know that I'm going somewhere that would require me to leave my gun in the vehicle unattended for anything more than a quick in-and-out someplace, I will most likely not take my gun, because I don't want to have it stolen. The only time that I always carry is when I'm trail-walking or when I go camping (which I do regularly), in which case the gun is always on my person, although on some occasions it may be unloaded deep in a backpack. I've never subscribed to the notion that I might as well carry a brick as to have an unloaded gun in my pack (but I understand why some do).
One thing that I really don't understand is why a person would leave any valuable thing in a vehicle over night, unless the vehicle was in a garage (my garage hasn't had room for a car in years, but I probably wouldn't do that even if it did). I don't carry a gun while working, but I do carry a laptop and sometimes some expensive equipment in my vehicle, and it all gets brought in the house at night. And, victim-blaming aside, I would consider myself a fool for leaving any of my valuables, including a gun in my vehicle in the driveway at night.
And, to answer the OP's original question, my car-gun is my carry gun, a 9mm Shield, although when I started carrying, it was a stainless Rossi M88 .38 revolver (that has the sweetest trigger of any pistol that I have).
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Putting the "if you should" discussion off to the side...
When I wanted a car gun, I picked up a 3913 for the job. Reliable, easy to shoot, no wood, and every little internal part is stainless steel. No worries about rust, corrosion, or moisture.
I have yet to put in the car, I haven't found a secure place for it.
When I wanted a car gun, I picked up a 3913 for the job. Reliable, easy to shoot, no wood, and every little internal part is stainless steel. No worries about rust, corrosion, or moisture.
I have yet to put in the car, I haven't found a secure place for it.
A secure place would be nice. That's too nice of a gun to lose.
