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If you are thinking of not voting for Romney, or not voting, please listen
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yotewacker
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And you don't think that Clinton is doing this as we type?
Look, as I see it. We have two losers running for president. We need to pick the less evil against us.
If you vote for a third party, you are throwing your vote away and your vote will count for nothing. Considering your vote will not help either candidate who is running. If you do vote for a third party and he wins, the Dem. and Rep. will still control congress and your person is still worthless in office.
We need to find a candidate the fits most of our beliefs and stick with him. No reason why a third party cant win and do some good. But, we would need a third party in all sectors to make it happen.
If Romney wins I'm putting up a help wanted sign. If Obama wins I'm not hiring anybody.
iwearcowboyboots
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Agreed. Like most gun owners... I support the Brady Bill, ballistic fingerprinting, the idea that automatic weapons are illegal (as they should be along with any other weapon of unusual lethality), and would sign the 1994 AWB had it landed on my desk.
That is why I am voting for [STRIKE]lifetime[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]longtime[/STRIKE] one time [strike]hunter[/strike] pest controller and [STRIKE]gun owner[/STRIKE] family member of a guy with a shotgun Mitt Romney.
Crap. I already voted for the only candidate on the ticket that doesn't support those things... Anyone have a time machine I can borrow? When I'm done, I'll loan it to Romney so he stop pre-2007 Mitt from promoting a progressive agenda on multiple fronts.
My man Not Sure.... See he is super smart... He's got a plan and he is gonna fix it all in one weeeeeeeeek
As I see it, you are doing your part to assure that the establishment choices of losers will be the only options you are ever given.
Knowingly casting your consent to be ruled by losers over and over again and convincing others to follow your lead strikes me as the core of the problem and the very source of the grip held by the establishment duopoly.
What a weak justification to abdicate the true power of your vote and the voice of the governed.
That's a good one.
I find it strange that those who believe that a person voting 3rd party is "giving" a vote to Obama, democrats, or...whatever.
Personally, if a 3rd party was not on the ballot here in Indiana, I would not vote for anybody at all for POTUS. So, how is that a vote for Obama, or Romney?
It isn't and never really has been. It's not a vote FOR the D, but it's also not a vote AGAINST the D either. The issue is that when you have 100 people and 30 vote R and 40 vote D, the other 30 not voting can't cancel out enough Ds to keep the socialist out of office. The theory being presented is that only the R has a chance of keeping the D out of office because neither the L nor anyone else is going to get anywhere NEAR enough votes to do that. Now... If you like what the Ds do, that's OK. If you want others making the decisions for you and you just live within them, stay home and don't vote. If you want to be involved in decisions that impact your life, though, pick a side and stand up for your belief.
Personally, I think the Congressional race is far more important than the vote for the resident of the White House for the next four years. I think the vote for Governor and for the State Legislature is more important than Congress, too. There are fewer of us voting for those races than for the national offices, so fewer people to have to vote to counter. I like that. I like that my vote really can make a difference in those races. Those get my attention long before the next idiot at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is decided.
As for why I call them idiots: The job pays, last I heard, $1.6M over the course of four years. They pay out many times that over the course of the campaign. Why would anyone pay out more money to get a job than s/he could make working it? (and yes, I know the answer is power.)
Idiots.
Blessings,
Bill
iwearcowboyboots
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iwearcowboyboots
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But what if someone honestly believes that there is no dramatic difference between the R & D candidates during a given election cycle?
Say I consider the Democratic party lost at this point in terms of my requirements of policy. Why should I support a Republican candidate that is left of right? It seems to me that doing so only let's the Republican party know that I approve of their shift and risks convincing them that they should continue in the direction of the Democrats.
Even if I voted in this magical scenario for Romney... His past tells me that isn't the governance that I want and his stances on policy (when he is telling other people what he thinks they want to hear and not just when he is telling me what I want to hear) aren't what I want. I would still be letting someone else I don't approve of making decisions for me.
Mitt Romney said:
Sorry. I need a better reason to vote for him.
Maybe you will find enough independent voters to go your way out of the ones left over who can't bring themselves to waste their vote for a 3rd party like I did.
I completely agree. Even though I have Libertarian views, I voted for Romney, because he is the obvious lesser of the two evils. The last thing we need is a 2nd term, unaccountable Obama running wild for another four years.
I wish Libertarians as a group would make a major push to enter government on all levels, work to changes minds and share what they're all about. If Libertarians hold a number of lower offices and gain exposure, then they'll eventually be taken seriously for higher levels of office. Half of the Libertarian struggle is that many people don't know who they are, or what they believe. Once I found out what they supported, a couple years ago, it didn't take any explanation by anyone to change my mind or convert me to Libertarian thinking... I already agreed with 95% of Libertarian views.
As a libertarian, I will do what I can to promote our ideas, however I will not be so bull-headed as to vote for a Libertarian in a race that is tight between a "D" and an "R," when it is obvious one of the two will win regardless of my vote, and especially when one of the candidates would be so detrimental to our country.
Let's just look at firearm regulations, since this is INGO. If Romney wins... nothing, or very little will change... if he gets out of line the NRA will give him the big toe. Romney won't want to **** off the NRA. Without their constituents he wouldn't be reelected. ...Yes, I heard what Romney said in the debate regarding gun controls (which was unfortunate), but he won't do anything... Now let's look at Obama. He has been even more vocal about putting gun controls in place. Obama could care less about what the people want, and won't be concerned about getting reelected. Not only that, but if he is as radical as some seem to think, it's in his best interest to remove (or attempt to remove firearms) from the populace, so after a 2nd term (God forbid) he'll have the option to make up a reason not to step aside for another president, and face little serious resistance.
I don't want to see a 2nd term Obama... he would be so extreme, I think it would make 1st term Obama look like a far right nut-job.
This is the salient point for me. Romney can still be held accountable four years from now. Obama, after this election, is completely out of our reach, regardless of the outcome. He has been for the last four years, considering that even if the House impeached him for some criminal act, the Senate would not find him guilty.
If we're going to have a POS in office one way or the other, I'd rather it be one that can be flushed, not one that to get rid of it, you have to drop an M-80 in the bowl.
Blessings,
Bill
