IN: ISP pulls over Chicago Police Commander doing 114mph

[BiscuitsandGravy]

Speaking as a "civilian", I have been extended a copious amount of grace over the years. Written up for a seatbelt while allegedly​ doing 73 in a 45 comes to mind....and several "let off with a warning" for various alleged infractions. Obviously, no professional courtesy involved, but not being an A-hole, being polite, being honest ("do you know why I pulled you over? "Probably because I rolled through that stop sign back there...") and looking like a respectable citizen helps.

...waiting for the "Kirk- keep your car clean speech" to roll-in in 3-2-1...

 

[HoughMade]

...waiting for the "Kirk- keep your car clean speech" to roll-in in 3-2-1...

Indeed...and he's right.

I could add to the list, but then some INGO members would lose their minds about how cops shouldn't use appearance as a deciding factor.

My position is that you can look the way you want to look to get the reaction you want....but that goes [STRIKE]both[/STRIKE] several ​ways.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Speaking as a "civilian", I have been extended a copious amount of grace over the years. Written up for a seatbelt while allegedly​ doing 73 in a 45 comes to mind....and several "let off with a warning" for various alleged infractions. Obviously, no professional courtesy involved, but not being an A-hole, being polite, being honest ("do you know why I pulled you over? "Probably because I rolled through that stop sign back there...") and looking like a respectable citizen helps.

So this was before the beard then?

 

[HoughMade]

So this was before the beard then?

I spent more time keeping my beard trimmed AND OFF MY NECK than I did shaving.

All beards are not created equal.

I am clean shaven for the warm season.

 

[BiscuitsandGravy]

Just search for 'keep your car clean'... and voila... Here is Uncle Kirk... #1 and #2...

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...during-traffic-stops.html?433370=#post7011912

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...stops-while-carrying.html?443427=#post7257926

 

[edporch]

I hate it when I hear the line "if it were Joe Citizen you'd have hammered them". Don't tell me what I would or wouldn't do. The last handful of 100+MPH drivers I have caught got to go home with a shiny court summons AND their car. I can only speak for myself and some of my closest co-workers, but a person's attitude upon being caught usually dictates the outcome of the stop.
-Snip-

Yes.
I've been pulled over a few times in my life for going pretty fast.
There was no point in giving the policeman a bunch of crap, I was guilty, I did it.

I just took the ticket and paid the fine.
In EVERY case, the policeman treated me fairly and I was on my way.

ON A SIDE story, a co-worker of mine several years ago was eating at a truck stop and was talking to an Indiana State Police Officer.
One of the the things he said was that he typically gets by far the most crap from people he pulls over for speeding compared to arresting criminals.
He said he'd even arrested murderers that gave him less crap.

 

[VUPDblue]

Yeah that sounds about right.

 

[Ziggidy]

I have received a few breaks in my time and I have also been wrongly accused a couple of times. I have never been anything but respectful to any officer at any time.

I believe this situation is different. We have an out of state officer with lights flashing for no apparent reason, doing 114mph. Gets pulled over and his first words are telling the others he's a cop and he "thought" they were backing him up? That is a lie and he knows it. The officers give him a break and the prosecutor pretty much sweeps it under the rug. We still do not know why he was speeding, what he was really hiding (running) from.

The abusive use of position was thrown out, and he tried to weasel out of the stop.....all on camera; that's the topping. Exposed, on video with sound. Publicly seen by the world; it's called perception. What is seen cannot be unseen. The perception is that he used his clout to get out of a situation. If it was traffic stop and the officer just gave him a break (like many of you have given and received), all would be fine...but it's publicized and to date, there is no explanation for the speeding and no explanation for the dropped charges.

I hope you can see how this will be seen. I appreciate any consideration an officer would give me. I also know most considerations are given without publicity for a good reason.

 

[2A_Tom]

I hate it when I hear the line "if it were Joe Citizen you'd have hammered them". Don't tell me what I would or wouldn't do. The last handful of 100+MPH drivers I have caught got to go home with a shiny court summons AND their car. I can only speak for myself and some of my closest co-workers, but a person's attitude upon being caught usually dictates the outcome of the stop.

Professional courtesy absolutely exists, but so does compassion and understanding. I won't write another cop a ticket for a run of the mill traffic infraction... I also won't write a CDL holder, taxi driver, fireman, medic or pizza guy either. That said, go beyond a ho-hum traffic infraction and all bets are off, I don't care who you are. I'll put my money where my mouth is on that last statement every day of the week.... just ask this guy: https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/brownsburg-fire-chief-arrested-on-owi-charge

For 80 mph of the 100+ license suspender?

There are many cops like you and I have met a couple in the long past.

So, I am going over 100 I do not pull over immediately.
When I stop, I tell you I thought you were giving me an escort to the hospital where my wife is in ICU because of a wreck.
You call the hospital and find I am lying.
You give me a ticket for going 80 and send me on my way?


I was always polite, signed my ticket, thanked the officer and told him to have a good day.
My friend Ed on the other hand was always impolite and got a couple/three tickets.
Bob was a different story he handed them his license and the officer would ask "Are you Bob *****'S son?" Bob, "Yep." Have a nice day and drive safely. Bob's dad was a cop.

 

[Ziggidy]

I remember not too long ago there was a discussion here about pulling people over for whatever reason. My memory is not that good and I truly wish I could find the thread because it would certainly be amusing to read along side this thread. I will gladly stand corrected if I am in any way inaccurate.

I remember how it was stated that is someone does not pull over right away, they would call for backup. I explained that safety would not pull over just because, but would after I find a safe spot. The individual stated they they were basically the one who would decide what was safe or not and if I did not comply what they thought was proper, they would provide a ride for me in the back of their squad. I stated I'd see them in court and such. Their reply was I could do anything I wanted but I would lose because they were authority.

What's interesting is how that is discussed in this thread. Some will not give other police a ticket, cab drivers and such.

When the public reads about what some officers will do for some but not for all, the perception is many officers are playing favorites. Integrity, character, dignity and such means you are the same and provide the same at all times. Human interaction must be maintained equal across the board....otherwise it is perceived as being fake.

 

[Dead Duck]

I would have tazed him just to be sure my taser still worked.... and to use the cartridge before the expiration date.

 

[churchmouse]

I remember not too long ago there was a discussion here about pulling people over for whatever reason. My memory is not that good and I truly wish I could find the thread because it would certainly be amusing to read along side this thread. I will gladly stand corrected if I am in any way inaccurate.

I remember how it was stated that is someone does not pull over right away, they would call for backup. I explained that safety would not pull over just because, but would after I find a safe spot. The individual stated they they were basically the one who would decide what was safe or not and if I did not comply what they thought was proper, they would provide a ride for me in the back of their squad. I stated I'd see them in court and such. Their reply was I could do anything I wanted but I would lose because they were authority.

What's interesting is how that is discussed in this thread. Some will not give other police a ticket, cab drivers and such.

When the public reads about what some officers will do for some but not for all, the perception is many officers are playing favorites. Integrity, character, dignity and such means you are the same and provide the same at all times. Human interaction must be maintained equal across the board....otherwise it is perceived as being fake.

If you watch any Cops or live PD you will see how far sugar will get you over just being a total butt head. the belief that you deserve a break is not the reality in all of this. But you do make some fair points.

I got into a little street contest with a Vette some years back on my Hot Rod Harley. He and I had been playing going east on 16th st. We were 1st at the lite Just west of the I-65 overpass. Light turned and we both jumped in it. I smoked him to the next light at Methodist hospital. I gapped him enough to get in front of him to turn south on senate. It was then that I noticed the lights several cars behind us in my mirrors.

I went about a block south to a clear spot and pulled over and waited. He stopped and asked for the usual credentials. Very polite and conversive. Yes he was a few cars back and said he knew what was going to happen. He had followed us for a while. He stepped back to his car and I sat patiently. On his return he stated my actions could have been costly. I agreed. We then had a 10 minute convo on what the supercharger did for the bike and why I had Nitrous on it as well. We agreed I was nuts and we went our separate ways. No tickets. I counted my blessings and rode casually home and put the bike up.....for a couple of days.

Did I get a fair shake.....you betcha I did. And I have never forgotten it.

 

[Butch627]

It seems to me like when he didn't pull over right away all bets were off and he should have been treated like anyone else who doesn't pull over as soon as the bubble lights go off. IIRC it was quite a few minutes after initial contact that he pulled over. I think at that point he should have been checked for dui and the car searched. Id like to know who he called during the whole fiasco. Where there is smoke there is fire and I believe that there is a lot more to his story and why he did not want to be stopped.

 

[2A_Tom]

I remember not too long ago there was a discussion here about pulling people over for whatever reason. My memory is not that good and I truly wish I could find the thread because it would certainly be amusing to read along side this thread. I will gladly stand corrected if I am in any way inaccurate.

I remember how it was stated that is someone does not pull over right away, they would call for backup. I explained that safety would not pull over just because, but would after I find a safe spot. The individual stated they they were basically the one who would decide what was safe or not and if I did not comply what they thought was proper, they would provide a ride for me in the back of their squad. I stated I'd see them in court and such. Their reply was I could do anything I wanted but I would lose because they were authority.

What's interesting is how that is discussed in this thread. Some will not give other police a ticket, cab drivers and such.

When the public reads about what some officers will do for some but not for all, the perception is many officers are playing favorites. Integrity, character, dignity and such means you are the same and provide the same at all times. Human interaction must be maintained equal across the board....otherwise it is perceived as being fake.

You mean this one https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...efense/469912-no-love-cops-3.html#post7959633

That was not VUPDblue.

 

[BStarkey 46947]

I wonder how he explained this to his wife (assuming he is married). Also assuming he was was not shopping for ammo. There are other various jokes that could be generated around ammunition and shooting.

 

[rosejm]

But would I expect the opportunity to drive home in my own vehicle after being stopped for 114 mph? Troopers cited him for 80 - that's throwing the book at him?

I didn't expect it either, but did get cited for 75/70 after being clocked @ 106 on the Toll Road in this area.
Now, I didn't have any emergency lights, wasn't impersonating a police officer and I DID pull over and wait for the Trooper when he dove into the grassy median to give chase...

Just sayin' it's not entirely without precedent.

 

[Ziggidy]

You mean this one https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...efense/469912-no-love-cops-3.html#post7959633

That was not VUPDblue.

My error, I stand corrected.

Hand extended out to VUPDblue...

 

[Dead Duck]

I flew passed a sheriff while doing 40 over while he was sitting at a side street. He followed me into the fire station 1/2 mile down the road.

I should mention I ran the station on our mountain when we had calls.

 

[Ziggidy]

Question for the officers reading this.

How did you view the response of the Chicago police officer? Did he respond appropriately?

 

[JettaKnight]

I get it, prosecutor is gonna march to his own drum. But would I expect the opportunity to drive home in my own vehicle after being stopped for 114 mph? Troopers cited him for 80 - that's throwing the book at him?

I am pro-LE, but this is the type of "protect your own" $#!+ that sows the seeds of distrust. No one is above the law. The following articles are on the first two search pages for "Indiana state police arrest speeder". Don't feed me the "troops threw the book at him" crap.

http://www.wndu.com/content/news/Smiling-speeder-arrested-on-the-Indiana-Toll-Road-505965561.html
Indiana State Trooper Catches Speeder Driving 135 Miles Per Hour On The Indiana Toll Road
http://www.ttnews.com/articles/cops-indiana-have-reputation-having-no-mercy-speeders
http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...58-mph-speed-stop-st-0408-20170407-story.html
http://duboiscountyherald.com/b/out-of-state-i-69-speeder-clocked-at-114-mph

Sharpshooter's fallacy.

What's not getting printed in the paper is those that quietly get caught, ticketed, and driver away.


What it sounds like in this case is when the teacher caught me... sit in the hall...told my mom after school ... the teacher's punishment was nothing compared to what was in store when I got home.


After the Smollet fiasco, this gives them a good chance to knock him out of any leadership.