IN: ISP pulls over Chicago Police Commander doing 114mph

[alabasterjar]

For 80 mph of the 100+ license suspender?

There are many cops like you and I have met a couple in the long past.

So, I am going over 100 I do not pull over immediately.
When I stop, I tell you I thought you were giving me an escort to the hospital where my wife is in ICU because of a wreck.
You call the hospital and find I am lying.
You give me a ticket for going 80 and send me on my way?


I was always polite, signed my ticket, thanked the officer and told him to have a good day.
My friend Ed on the other hand was always impolite and got a couple/three tickets.
Bob was a different story he handed them his license and the officer would ask "Are you Bob *****'S son?" Bob, "Yep." Have a nice day and drive safely. Bob's dad was a cop.

Thank you. Just sitting back down with a drink in hand to reply... This was where I was coming from, but clearly didn't do a good job articulating it. This is not just a speeding case...i did not anticipate the leo butthurt over my comments. I can't imagine any leo being demonstrably lied to in an instance like this and then roll over. This isn't about granting discretion to someone running triple digits just because they can...commander was lying about what he was doing and why he was doing it on top of the speed and failure to yield issue.

JettaKinght, I see your call out on Sharp shooters fallacy, I just have no idea how to quote more than one post at a time on my tablet. I thought about that when I posted, but the problem is that there is no reasonable alternative.....I can't cite examples that aren't news. I'm not blind to the fact that they may occur (as demonstrated by examples upthread), but the links I posted were relevant in time (within the last 2 years, I believe), place (northern Indiana isp district) and circumstance (in the accounts referenced, all arrests were directly related to the speed - not because they also had a warrant, or dope, etc.).

 

[Trigger Time]

At least he had his light on.

In all honestly, im more worried about the cars on the road that dont move to the right for faster traffic or who go under the speed limit. Oh and the new trend im seeing, semis that seem to want to ride in the middle lane instead of the slow lane and hence **** everything up. Had one pass and come into the fast (far left) lane the other day and almost run me off the highway.

 

[actaeon277]

I would have tazed him just to be sure my taser still worked.... and to use the cartridge before the expiration date.

That happened to me last time.
I hate that.

 

[hoosierdoc]

I speed. I just do. I'm always polite and often get a warning. The only time I was irritated was on 69 south and an officer was hidden behind a bridge piling. The car in front of me hit the brakes hard and I closed in on him due to reaction time issues. He pulled me over for "following too closely" or whatever the term is. sigh. don't think I got a ticket but i can't recall. I explained I was brake checked by the guy in front of me when he was scared by a hidden officer he saw last second.

 

[JettaKnight]

I speed. I just do. I'm always polite and often get a warning. The only time I was irritated was on 69 south and an officer was hidden behind a bridge piling. The car in front of me hit the brakes hard and I closed in on him due to reaction time issues. He pulled me over for "following too closely" or whatever the term is. sigh. don't think I got a ticket but i can't recall. I explained I was brake checked by the guy in front of me when he was scared by a hidden officer he saw last second.

What?! Speed traps and unmarked cars can potentially caused collisions?

Unpossible.

 

[JettaKnight]

Here's a cop asking for some "courtesy":

[video=youtube;bwE6-Vq5occ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwE6-Vq5occ[/video]

...except he's not really a cop:

[video=youtube;9t6AGKINw68]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t6AGKINw68[/video]


FYI: That YouTube channel has a lot of videos of cops getting busted for OWI.

 

[actaeon277]

Watching him get arrested...

 

[BugI02]

Does the reason many are against this have anything to do with the fact the defendant doesn't appear in court and thus generates no attorney's fees

 

[2A_Tom]

?

 

[Alamo]

I understand the bit about cops giving breaks to average joes not showing up in the press -- but 2A-Tom nailed it, this is not that. Fleeing police, lying about it being duty-related, speed well in excess of unreasonable, abusing lights & siren privilege*. and note that the troopers were in felony stop mode - this was not professional courtesy or giving a good guy a break, this was just crooked. It's clear there was some consultation with upper management about what to do, so I think it is quite probably that the 80 mph ticket was not the decision of the troopers on the ground. That puts the onus on either state police management or the prosecutor -- both really.

The Chicago guy may or may not take a hit from the CPD for being a lying idiot. CPD seems to be a mess, along with the city government.

 

[2A_Tom]

If the ISP had thrown the book at him that would have violated their Professional Courtesy Reciprocity agreement.

ISP would not be safe in Illinois.

Maybe this will get the Blue Line's attention, since they have not replied to my question.

I am on your side (mostly) I just hate not being genuine.

 

[jkaetz]

Here's a cop asking for some "courtesy":

...except he's not really a cop:


FYI: That YouTube channel has a lot of videos of cops getting busted for OWI.

Watching him get arrested...

As usual all he had to do was keep his trap shut but he didn't have the ability. Amazing that he pushed the act and went on about the bus as long as he did.

 

[churchmouse]

I understand the bit about cops giving breaks to average joes not showing up in the press -- but 2A-Tom nailed it, this is not that. Fleeing police, lying about it being duty-related, speed well in excess of unreasonable, abusing lights & siren privilege*. and note that the troopers were in felony stop mode - this was not professional courtesy or giving a good guy a break, this was just crooked. It's clear there was some consultation with upper management about what to do, so I think it is quite probably that the 80 mph ticket was not the decision of the troopers on the ground. That puts the onus on either state police management or the prosecutor -- both really.

The Chicago guy may or may not take a hit from the CPD for being a lying idiot. CPD seems to be a mess, along with the city government.

Well.......they blame Indiana for most of their problems. The spouse watch's The Chicago PD series and they are constantly dropping Indy Bombs as to the reason for the gun violence. Screw them. Keep your thugs up there OK.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

So, I am going over 100 I do not pull over immediately.
When I stop, I tell you I thought you were giving me an escort to the hospital where my wife is in ICU because of a wreck.
You call the hospital and find I am lying.
You give me a ticket for going 80 and send me on my way?

Unless I thought you were actually fleeing, I'd probably write you two tickets. Speeding and failure to yield. Failure to yield to emergency vehicles is 8 points on the license, same as a DUI. But, no, I wouldn't tow your car and you'd be free to go at the end of the stop. Now, if I thought you were attempting to flee then it's off to jail.

People lie to me constantly. I don't take it personally. Honestly I wouldn't bother to call the hospital. I'd just go with my gut on if you were being truthful or not.

When the public reads about what some officers will do for some but not for all, the perception is many officers are playing favorites. Integrity, character, dignity and such means you are the same and provide the same at all times. Human interaction must be maintained equal across the board....otherwise it is perceived as being fake.

If you want robotic enforcement, use red light cameras and speed cameras. People *really* complain about those, though.

I will not write tickets evenly because punishments are not given evenly. If you are a commercial driver you are penalized more than someone who isn't. To me, higher punishment requires a higher infraction. I'm sure reasonable minds can differ on what "fair" is in the reality we have to deal with. You feel upset I let the truck driver get away with more then I let the dentist get away with. I know the dentist just pays the fine, might have to deal with insurance hikes if he's a real problem driver, but that's it. The truck driver potentially loses incentives from his employer worth way more than the ticket costs. I sleep just fine at night taking that into consideration, although I write *very* few tickets these days.

Maybe this will get the Blue Line's attention, since they have not replied to my question.

If that's for me, I'm not on here much any more and I usually regret it whenever I venture out of the training/tactics/mindset subforums. I hop on, sniff the classifieds, maybe pick up a sweet N-frame, see if there's any training topics that interest me, then move on. I probably shouldn't have bothered to post here, as whenever I wander out of those subforums I'm reminded of why I don't post much here any longer.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

oops, double tap.

 

[2A_Tom]

oops, double tap.

It is a conditioned response, habituation, muscle memory. I guess that stopped me cause you didn't give me the coup de gras to the head.

Not you or anyone on the forum, I just wanted to "spur" a response.

My abject apology, Sir.

 

[CPT Nervous]

I remember not too long ago there was a discussion here about pulling people over for whatever reason. My memory is not that good and I truly wish I could find the thread because it would certainly be amusing to read along side this thread. I will gladly stand corrected if I am in any way inaccurate.

I remember how it was stated that is someone does not pull over right away, they would call for backup. I explained that safety would not pull over just because, but would after I find a safe spot. The individual stated they they were basically the one who would decide what was safe or not and if I did not comply what they thought was proper, they would provide a ride for me in the back of their squad. I stated I'd see them in court and such. Their reply was I could do anything I wanted but I would lose because they were authority.

What's interesting is how that is discussed in this thread. Some will not give other police a ticket, cab drivers and such.

When the public reads about what some officers will do for some but not for all, the perception is many officers are playing favorites. Integrity, character, dignity and such means you are the same and provide the same at all times. Human interaction must be maintained equal across the board....otherwise it is perceived as being fake.

You're talking about me, and I stand by what I said. Every situation dictates my response. Someone who is slow to stop will certainly be called out as a pursuit. Depending on the scenario, you might end up in cuffs, you might end up with a ticket, or maybe a warning. I wrote a failure to yield for someone who thought it would be a good idea to pull into his driveway instead of pulling over when I lit him up. His driveway was on the left side of the road.

I always treat people fairly. I tend to be more lenient with other first responders, medical staff, and so on, but that only goes so far. I came very close to arresting a nurse the other day, because of the attitude I got from her. I will admit, the only reason she didn't go to jail was because I knew where she worked. She's more than likely going to be finding herself unemployed some time this week over this incident.

Treat me with respect, and I'll give it back 100 times over. If you want to go the other way, I can do that too. I prefer to be polite, though.

 

[VUPDblue]

Why would a nurse get fired over a traffic stop?

 

[actaeon277]

Unless I thought you were actually fleeing, I'd probably write you two tickets. Speeding and failure to yield. Failure to yield to emergency vehicles is 8 points on the license, same as a DUI. But, no, I wouldn't tow your car and you'd be free to go at the end of the stop. Now, if I thought you were attempting to flee then it's off to jail.

People lie to me constantly. I don't take it personally. Honestly I wouldn't bother to call the hospital. I'd just go with my gut on if you were being truthful or not.



If you want robotic enforcement, use red light cameras and speed cameras. People *really* complain about those, though.

I will not write tickets evenly because punishments are not given evenly. If you are a commercial driver you are penalized more than someone who isn't. To me, higher punishment requires a higher infraction. I'm sure reasonable minds can differ on what "fair" is in the reality we have to deal with. You feel upset I let the truck driver get away with more then I let the dentist get away with. I know the dentist just pays the fine, might have to deal with insurance hikes if he's a real problem driver, but that's it. The truck driver potentially loses incentives from his employer worth way more than the ticket costs. I sleep just fine at night taking that into consideration, although I write *very* few tickets these days.




If that's for me, I'm not on here much any more and I usually regret it whenever I venture out of the training/tactics/mindset subforums. I hop on, sniff the classifieds, maybe pick up a sweet N-frame, see if there's any training topics that interest me, then move on. I probably shouldn't have bothered to post here, as whenever I wander out of those subforums I'm reminded of why I don't post much here any longer.

Well, please keep posting.
I like your explanations.

 

[churchmouse]

Well, please keep posting.
I like your explanations.