Indiana Militia

[Marc]

i think im gonna join up

 

[rhino]

The Indiana Guard Reserve is also under the command of the Governor. It is the only LEGAL and Constitutional Militia in the State.

If you are referring to "organized militias" as per Federal law, then I'll buy it.

The "unorganized militia" (again, as per Federal law) includes pretty much all of us and we're not under anyone's command.

 

[Caleb]

hmm...

 

[stormryder]

I had the experience of working with Mr. Flatt, and was a co-founder of the IMC.
Not associated anymore, even though on wikipedia I am still listed.
enough said..

 

[flagtag]

If you are referring to "organized militias" as per Federal law, then I'll buy it.

The "unorganized militia" (again, as per Federal law) includes pretty much all of us and we're not under anyone's command.

Yeah. That is what I was referring to in my post.
Too many people have been programmed to believe that only one Milita exists and that is the National Guard. (By the anti-gun crowd)
And that unless sanctioned by the government, any other Militia is not legal, so not allowed to exist.

As you said WE are the Militia! (Except those not allowed by law - criminals and mentallly unstable - to own/possess guns)

 

[MACHINEGUN]

I am my own militia.. Semper Fi?

 

[singlesix]

If I read the US Title Code correctly than in a few years I am to old to be a member of the militia.

 

[flagtag]

If I read the US Title Code correctly than in a few years I am to old to be a member of the militia.

Yeah. Me too. Also there is that gender discrimination thing.
Both of those need to be changed.

 

[zimzum]

I had the experience of working with Mr. Flatt, and was a co-founder of the IMC.
Not associated anymore, even though on wikipedia I am still listed.
enough said..

Small world. I've worked with him, too.

 

[BloodEclipse]

If I read the US Title Code correctly than in a few years I am to old to be a member of the militia.

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]INDIANA ARTICLE 12.[/FONT]​

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]Militia.[/FONT]
Section 1. A militia shall be provided and shall consist of all persons
over the age of seventeen (17) years, except those persons who may be
exempted by the laws of the United States or of this state. The militia
may be divided into active and inactive classes and consist of such
military organizations as may be provided by law.

Yeah. Me too. Also there is that gender discrimination thing.
Both of those need to be changed.

It says persons not males.

 

[Bill of Rights]

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]INDIANA ARTICLE 12.[/FONT]​

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]Militia.[/FONT]
Section 1. A militia shall be provided and shall consist of all persons
over the age of seventeen (17) years, except those persons who may be
exempted by the laws of the United States or of this state. The militia
may be divided into active and inactive classes and consist of such
military organizations as may be provided by law.



It says persons not males.

That's state, BloodEclipse. They were talking about Federal. 10USC sec 311, specifically. The only females that are members of the militia according to that are those in the Guard (or active duty? Not sure)

Hope that helps.

Blessings,
B

 

[BloodEclipse]

That's state, BloodEclipse. They were talking about Federal. 10USC sec 311, specifically. The only females that are members of the militia according to that are those in the Guard (or active duty? Not sure)

Hope that helps.

Blessings,
B

Yeah I knew that was the State. I guess I don't get the concept of a unorganized Federal Militia. Seems like an oxymoron. Living in Indiana can we be part of a Militia that the State doesn't have jurisidiction over?

 

[flagtag]

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]INDIANA ARTICLE 12.[/FONT]​

[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]Militia.[/FONT]
Section 1. A militia shall be provided and shall consist of all persons
over the age of seventeen (17) years, except those persons who may be
exempted by the laws of the United States or of this state. The militia
may be divided into active and inactive classes and consist of such
military organizations as may be provided by law.



It says persons not males.

I didn't notice that before. Thanks for pointing it out. But maybe it was the IL militia that I recall. The one I saw had an upper age limit also.
I wonder if it's been updated, or if it's just different in my state. I'll have to double check it.

Thanks again.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Yeah I knew that was the State. I guess I don't get the concept of a unorganized Federal Militia. Seems like an oxymoron. Living in Indiana can we be part of a Militia that the State doesn't have jurisidiction over?

By federal law, the militia we belong to is "unorganized". so technically, no commander-in-chief (ie Governor) Of course, technically, we're in the state of Indiana, so the state has jurisdiction everywhere, just as the feds have jurisdiction anywhere in the country. I may not be answering the question you're asking, so if not, I don't know.

Blessings,
B

 

[flagtag]

By federal law, the militia we belong to is "unorganized". so technically, no commander-in-chief (ie Governor) Of course, technically, we're in the state of Indiana, so the state has jurisdiction everywhere, just as the feds have jurisdiction anywhere in the country. I may not be answering the question you're asking, so if not, I don't know.

Blessings,
B

Also, an "unorganized militia" doesn't necessarily answer to any government body. (Unlike the National Guard)

 

[BloodEclipse]

By federal law, the militia we belong to is "unorganized". so technically, no commander-in-chief (ie Governor) Of course, technically, we're in the state of Indiana, so the state has jurisdiction everywhere, just as the feds have jurisdiction anywhere in the country. I may not be answering the question you're asking, so if not, I don't know.

Blessings,
B

Granted this is from wikipedia but it seems correct. Good history.

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

State Defense Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm still having a hard time differentiating what the Militia truly is.
Being a male of 46 years I don't fit the criteria under the federal law.

All able bodied men, 17 to 45 of age, are ultimately eligible to be called up into military service and belong to the class known as the Reserve Militia, also known as the unorganized militia.

This sounds to me like the draft pool.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Granted this is from wikipedia but it seems correct. Good history.

Militia (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

State Defense Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm still having a hard time differentiating what the Militia truly is.
Being a male of 46 years I don't fit the criteria under the federal law.



This sounds to me like the draft pool.

U.S. Code

-CITE-


10 USC Sec. 311 01/03/2007



-EXPCITE-


TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES


Subtitle A - General Military Law


PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS


CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA


-HEAD-


Sec. 311. Militia: composition and classes


-STATUTE-


(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied


males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section


313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a


declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States


and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the


National Guard.


(b) The classes of the militia are -

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard

and the Naval Militia; and


(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of


the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the


Naval Militia.


-SOURCE-


(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85-861, Sec. 1(7),


Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103-160, div. A, title V,


Sec. 524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)


-MISC1-


HISTORICAL AND REVISION NOTES


1956 ACT

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Revised Source (U.S. Code) Source (Statutes at


section Large)


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311(a) 32:1 (less last 19 words). June 3, 1916, ch. 134,


Sec. 57, 39 Stat. 197;


June 28, 1947, ch. 162,


Sec. 7 (as applicable to


Sec. 57 of the Act of


June 3, 1916, ch. 134),


61 Stat. 192.


311(b)


32:1 (last 19 words).


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In subsection (a), the words "who have made a declaration of


intention" are substituted for the words "who have or shall have


declared their intention". The words "at least 17 years of age and


* * * under 45 years of age" are substituted for the words "who


shall be more than seventeen years of age and * * * not more than


forty-five years of age". The words "except as provided in section


313 of title 32" are substituted for the words "except as


hereinafter provided", to make explicit the exception as to maximum


age.


In subsection (b), the words "The organized militia, which


consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia" are


substituted for the words "the National Guard, the Naval Militia",


since the National Guard and the Naval Militia constitute the


organized militia.


1958 ACT


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Revised Source (U.S. Code) Source (Statutes at


section Large)


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311(a) 32 App.:1. July 30, 1956, ch. 789,


Sec. 1, 70 Stat. 729.


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The words "appointed as . . . under section 4 of this title" are


omitted as surplusage.


AMENDMENTS


1993 - Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 103-160 substituted "members" for


"commissioned officers".


1958 - Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 85-861 included female citizens of


the United States who are commissioned officers of the National


Guard.

My impression is that the militia are those people who are expected to respond in time of need to crisis. Those not expected to respond are not forbidden to do so. The military are not "expected" to respond, they are compelled to do so by law.

Does that help any?

Blessings,
B

 

[quiggly]

Is this what the "Selective Service" is for? Registering for the Federal Militia?

 

[Specter]

Indiana Sedentary Militia (ISM) 63rd Btn

The selective service is what the government uses to keep an active list of all able bodied males ages 18 to I believe 32 to draft in the event of an all out war and our professional army is unable to handle it alone.

If you are in the National Guard or the Reserves you are subject to being called up by the President at any time to be sent anywhere in the world to fight whomever they say to. Your pay, training and weapons are provided by the Federal government so you go where they say and when they say.

If you are in the militia you receive no pay, provide your own gear/weapons and learn from others in your unit. The only person who can call the militia officially to action is the Governor. A county sherrif can also request the assistance of the militia. But the theater of action is limited to the state of Indiana. The only way militiamen can be called to fight a foreign power is if the country were invaded or a draft was initiated.

Indiana state laws/codes divides the militia into two groups: the paid National Guard and the unpaid sedentary militia. The Indiana sedentary militia (ISM) has always been in existence. There has now been a renewal of intrest in training with like minded individuals in the event we ever had to defend our homes, our towns, our counties and our state.

If you are not Guard, Reserves or active duty you are by default in the ISM. The only real decision you have is whether or not you choose to train now with time on your side, or on a steep learning curve when the SHTF.

I am a team leader in the ISM 63rd Btn in Hendricks county and I welcome any questions you may have.

 

[btln19ism]

New link to ISM

Indiana Sedentary Militia

Southern Indiana Battalion 19

Http://btln19ism.synthasite.com