Last Jedi ***WITH SPOILERS***

[Ericpwp]

Don't forget the editing of the originals. The Jabba scene, the goofy CGI creatures, and who can forget Han shot first.

 

[WebSnyper]

Things I really liked:

1. The Jacen/Jaina:Ren/Rey parallel being further developed
2. The very obvious mirroring of ESB, in several overt and subtle ways

I'm sure there's more, but that's a good starting point.

Yep, the Jacen/Jaina parallel seems strong. I was half expecting that to be a reveal of some sort.

The obvious mirroring of ESB ... not sure it was a good thing or a bad thing, I did kind of like the "it's salt" comment as I was thinking this is just Hoth all over again.
I was however waiting for a Krayt dragon appearance, but did not get one.

That was one of my MAJOR issues with this film. Jedi aren't immortal (Leia ain't even a Jedi). You can take one down with a blaster.... well you used to. Now you put two missiles up their #@$, take away their oxygen, then freeze them.... they have the potential to "wake up" and then Mary Poppins float to safety. The characters in this movies are ridiculously overpowered.

Yep, my biggest problem with the movie. I would have liked for this movie to have been the end of Leia, more than the end of Luke. Not that I like Luke much, but the next movie could have used him for more development of the other characters.

The most F'd up part about it is that they knew right after shooting wrapped that Carrie Fisher had died, they have all the shots they need they just had to mix the scenes up, reshoot a couple, and then you have hero Leia versus zombie Leia cowering in a cave.

Yep, similar thoughts myself.

1/2. We'll get the Snoke and First Order story in a non-Episode. Again, I think this is a bias thing. Let the movie happen instead of expecting certain answers.
I agree, they will probably develop that elsewhere.

5. I think the "Let the past die" line might be pointed at viewers more than on screen characters. Besides, it's Kylo having trouble rectifying his actions with his deeper values. It's his way of avoiding his internal conflict. Vader was better at it, but he had a lot more time to practice, and still dealt with internal conflict.

Agreed, I think that was a way of telling the audience we are doing away with the big 3.

... Hux isn't much of an admiral. So how does he get into that position? I'm more irritated by the selection process of the leadership than the quality of their equipment. But they have a strong Nazi parallel, so maybe it's a matter of party loyalty.

The Hux character is developed in the Phasma book which is of course, canon Star Wars

There's absolutely no payoff moment in this film.
Another thing that bothers me is the way Luke Skywalker, a legendary movie character, is portrayed. This is the guy who went on a suicide mission to confront the 2nd most evil guy in the galaxy because he senses there's still a "little good" in him, because he's family.... but now, he's ready to kill the his nephew, the only child of his sister and best friend, because he sees some of the dark side in him? WTFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!

Agreed, I was surprised that there was no payoff moment. It was the middle movie, but I felt the same, no defining moment in the movie.

 

[PapaScout]

Was it just my eyes playing tricks on me or were the sacred Jedi books in a drawer on the Falcon at the end...

 

[Kutnupe14]

Was it just my eyes playing tricks on me or were the sacred Jedi books in a drawer on the Falcon at the end...

I didn't notice that... but at the end, did you notice the slave kid, with the ring force move the broom into his hand?

 

[Double T]

Yep, the Jacen/Jaina parallel seems strong. I was half expecting that to be a reveal of some sort.

The obvious mirroring of ESB ... not sure it was a good thing or a bad thing, I did kind of like the "it's salt" comment as I was thinking this is just Hoth all over again.
I was however waiting for a Krayt dragon appearance, but did not get one.



Yep, my biggest problem with the movie. I would have liked for this movie to have been the end of Leia, more than the end of Luke. Not that I like Luke much, but the next movie could have used him for more development of the other characters.



Yep, similar thoughts myself.





Agreed, I was surprised that there was no payoff moment. It was the middle movie, but I felt the same, no defining moment in the movie.

Wasn't that saber that was split the saber that was originally Anakin's? Symbollically speaking, that was a pivotal moment.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Wasn't that saber that was split the saber that was originally Anakin's? Symbollically speaking, that was a pivotal moment.

Yep, and somehow Luke ends up with it when he "fake" appears. That who thing was kinda odd. Shouldn't Luke be using a green lightsaber? And since Ren helped destroy Anakin's original blue one, how was that not a tipoff?

 

[PapaScout]

I didn't notice that... but at the end, did you notice the slave kid, with the ring force move the broom into his hand?

Yes. That darn Force is popping up everywhere...

 

[K_W]

Wasn't that saber that was split the saber that was originally Anakin's? Symbollically speaking, that was a pivotal moment.

Luke constructed his own (green) lightsaber after his first (Anakin's blue) and his hand was lost during the catwalk battle in ESB. Vader mentions it in RTJ. The one in Ep 7 and 8 is blue and can't be Lukes RTJ saber unless the crystal was changed... or in you follow the non movie stuff (may bit be canon now) the user's force alliance affects it. Images of "Lukes" lightsabers show the Ep7 lightsaber is very similar to Anakins saber that was lost. One theory is that Maz acquired it from someone who found it, repaired it, and kept it safe.


Ep2 Anakin's Blue lightsabre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_PxZdff71g

ESB Han with Luke's / Anakin's blue lightsabre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXmp1hLK0tY

ESB Luke using and losing Anakin's blue lightsabre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab5TLyKi58w

RTJ, Luke with "new" green lightsabre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en8bh60K7m8

Ep7 Rey's (Luke's) newer blue lightsabre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWF0f183tSA

All of them...
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[IndianaSoloMcfly]

Just saw the movie. Good film, lots of questions. How does rey end up on the falcon after they break lukes lightsaber? All the sudden shes blasting ties with chewy. Should have left leia dead. Why show me an x-wing under water and not use it, annoying. Porgs=dumb. The casino was a cool kick back to a star wars enviroments like coruscant. More after i collect my thoughts.

 

[K_W]

Just saw the movie. Good film, lots of questions. How does rey end up on the falcon after they break lukes lightsaber? All the sudden shes blasting ties with chewy. Should have left leia dead. Why show me an x-wing under water and not use it, annoying. Porgs=dumb. The casino was a cool kick back to a star wars enviroments like coruscant. More after i collect my thoughts.

It only gets worse the more you run it back...

 

[IndianaSoloMcfly]

I did like how in the new movies flying a ship in space is like drifting a car. Pulling the E-brake on those ties was a cool move by Poe

 

[K_W]

I did like how in the new movies flying a ship in space is like drifting a car. Pulling the E-brake on those ties was a cool move by Poe

Space movies almost always get ship flight characteristic wrong, Star wars is no exception. They fly in space like planes do in atmosphere but planes uses air flow to turn. Space has no air and ships must use gas or ion thrusters to change attitude and drive engines to then push in the direction they are pointed, if they do not first counter their previous trajectory then they will still be flying off in a tangent of the direction they are pointed and the previous direction of travel... point shooting while avoiding obstacles would be next to impossible. If you ever played the arcade game Asteroids, that is a relatively accurate space flight characteristic.

[video=youtube;WYSupJ5r2zo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYSupJ5r2zo[/video]

 

[Ericpwp]

Was it just my eyes playing tricks on me or were the sacred Jedi books in a drawer on the Falcon at the end...

That is what I thought I saw.

 

[K_W]

That is what I thought I saw.

Considering those two scenes are the only times I can recall seeing books in Star Wars, they may all look like that now as they may have not been used in centuries because of technology.

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

Spoiler Alert! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Daughter and I just returned from seeing the movie.

To borrow from the original Indiana Jones, "Why did it have to be Space Chickens?" Really?!?!?!?! Spaaaccceee Chhiikkeenss!!!!!! Babbling mother of Yoda, the writers need to be flung into a steaming pile of Ewok poo and beaten with light sabers. The whole casino, code breaker, free the racetrack beasts subplot was a waste. To kill off Admiral Ackbar with so little emotion was disrespectful to the stature of the character. Given the span of time, he should have been a Commodore by now. And Leia Poppins was another stupid bit of whimsical farce that did not add to the story. Po is a douch-nozzle and Leia's character needs to really die already, (just like is real life).

I did like the ending with the transformation of Luke's character into being truly One with the Force. I also enjoyed the parts played by Rey, Rose, Finn and Ren. Overall rating of 6 out of 10.

I am in total agreement with having the Rouge One Writer/Director take over.

 

[chipbennett]

Lol... pure steaming craps of engineering

1/2. Yeah Snoke? Just a guy who is arguably the strongest force user we've ever seen, and we have zero idea who he is?
3. Obi-1 died after Vader struck him. Yoda died because he was very old and sick. Luke was like "#@%& it, I'm tired" and poof, gone.
5. Admiral Akbar, blown up on the bridge... and just a passing mention.

This one is a point of some contention. I have long been in the camp that Obi-Wan Force-ghosted himself prior to, rather than upon, being struck by Vader. He did not collapse and perish, as Qui-Gon (or Snoke) did, for example.

Compare and contrast Luke's line vs. Kylo Ren with Obi-Wan's line vs. Darth Vader ("Strike me down, and..."). In the former case, Luke was a projection, and thus could not possibly be struck down by Kylo Ren - and yet Luke was telling Ren something about what would happen as a result of the act. I think it parallels the latter case. Obi-Wan could have defeated Vader, but doing so would not bring the balance to the Force that he sought. Vader acting in the dark side to strike down his former Master would cause an equal/opposite reaction in the Force (Luke). And Obi-Wan's death, regardless of means, would result in him becoming a Force ghost.

 

[chipbennett]

That was one of my MAJOR issues with this film. Jedi aren't immortal (Leia ain't even a Jedi). You can take one down with a blaster.... well you used to. Now you put two missiles up their #@$, take away their oxygen, then freeze them.... they have the potential to "wake up" and then Mary Poppins float to safety. The characters in this movies are ridiculously overpowered.

Back to the same problem with character development/plot arcs. I suppose we must assume the Leia had 30 years' worth of some sort of Jedi training (i.e. from Luke, and then on her own after his exile - or maybe from some Force ghosts) - but if that's the case, and she's THAT strong in the Force, how does that Force strength not manifest itself in other ways through EpVII and EpVIII? It just makes no sense.

 

[Alpo]

Space movies almost always get ship flight characteristic wrong, Star wars is no exception. They fly in space like planes do in atmosphere but planes uses air flow to turn. Space has no air and ships must use gas or ion thrusters to change attitude and drive engines to then push in the direction they are pointed, if they do not first counter their previous trajectory then they will still be flying off in a tangent of the direction they are pointed and the previous direction of travel... point shooting while avoiding obstacles would be next to impossible. If you ever played the arcade game Asteroids, that is a relatively accurate space flight characteristic.

Large ships would never be that close to each other in battle formations. Battles would take days. Dog fights...hours. A Rogue One-type incident would never happen. And all those cools sounds from thrusters and lasers/phasers/cannons and explosions? No atmosphere, no sound transmission. From the POV of the pilot, yeah, but not in the panoramic battle scenes. But, ITS A MOVIE.

 

[chipbennett]

1/2. We'll get the Snoke and First Order story in a non-Episode. Again, I think this is a bias thing. Let the movie happen instead of expecting certain answers.

I'm honestly not expecting any certain answers; I just want answers. Sure, Darth Plagieus would be cool. But I don't think the canon EU novels support it. I'm pretty sure they're pointing to Snoke being the boy chosen by Palpatine. Regardless: I just want some kind of story.

3. Luke's resolution was in admitting what happened between him and Kylo, being reminded by R2 of his true values, having some Quality Time with Yoda while his lifelong ambition of destroying the Jedi order came to fruition.

I could buy that, but to have that much character development in a couple days, after years of isolation?

(Also, speaking of destroying the Jedi order: am I crazy, or did I see that Rey had the ancient Jedi texts in a drawer on the Falcon (the beginning of the scene where Rose is lying in the bunk)?

4. Not just First Order capital ships, but all capital ships. Republic cruisers, the Super Star Destroyer and both Death Stars have been plagued by weak spots. But to be fair, that big ship in the end took a direct hit from a rebel cruiser at light speed and didn't turn to dust. That's pretty tough. If we want to start talking physics, that sort of energy probably would take out a planet.

Weak spots in impregnable capital ships have always been a thing. But that's why light cruisers as support vessels are also a thing. I just found the opening scene to be implausible.

5. I think the "Let the past die" line might be pointed at viewers more than on screen characters. Besides, it's Kylo having trouble rectifying his actions with his deeper values. It's his way of avoiding his internal conflict. Vader was better at it, but he had a lot more time to practice, and still dealt with internal conflict.

Oh, I agree with you there. I totally inferred that line more as being delivered to the audience, rather than to Rey.

Reading too much into it, one could easily see it as Disney's way of saying, "We're going to create an entirely new story, but still call it Star Wars."

6. Were micro-jumps ever a thing in the movies? Again, you have to ignore what somebody wrote in a book or video game and let the movies stand on their own. What I didn't get is why they didn't peel off a few Star destroyers and park them in the path of the cruiser. Hux isn't much of an admiral. So how does he get into that position? I'm more irritated by the selection process of the leadership than the quality of their equipment. But they have a strong Nazi parallel, so maybe it's a matter of party loyalty.

In the canon EU novels, Hux is much better-developed than he is on-screen, where he so far has been portrayed as Kylo Ren's hapless peer.

 

[chipbennett]

Exactly. Yoda tells Kenobi that he had been contact by Qui Gon-Jin, and he seemed surprised. For Yoda's age, you would think if Force Projection was commonly understood amongst Jedi,it wouldn't have been a big deal.

I'm not sure if this part of the story is still canon or not, but as it goes, it was Qui-Gon Jinn who re-discovered the Force-ghost ability (i.e. bridging the Living Force and the Cosmic Force). The ability was known to the ancient Jedi, but the knowledge was lost. Qui-Gon re-discovered it during some of his travels/study. His understanding was only developed enough to project his own voice, but he taught Yoda, and then Obi-Wan, the technique sufficiently that both of them could fully Force-project their physical appearances.