LTCH... Do I have to provide if asked?

[critter592]

You guys ROCK!! By the way, don't ever mistake my smartassedness for meanness, I just prefer a lively conversation... And it seems I'm not the only one?.

You would be correct.

 

[Booya]

I get what you're saying, but riddle me this... If we assume that same logic would it then be okay for LEO's to just start pulling random people over and asking for their drivers license? Since it is in fact illegal to operate a motor vechical without a license?

And since motor vehicles are associated with more deaths than firearms... nevrmind, you see what I'm saying, either way it's just frustrating to be treated like a criminal based on really nothing at all!

It is perfectly legal for LEOs to pull you over to check your DL, but I know EPD (and many others) has a policy that they must have reason for a stop like seatbelt violation, speeding, headlight out etc...

Not to mention, some of my good friends are cops and we're on the road together a lot. There isn't a driver on the road that can't provide a reason for a stop within about a 2 mile stretch of road. If a cop spots you and wants to pull you over, it's happening, and probably with a reason outside of "they just wanted to". It's really pretty ridiculous sometimes riding with them and listening to them list off the 900 reasons they could stop the car in front of us AND these guys aren't traffic cops, they don't even write tickets. That said imagine if a road guy wants to get you...

 

[swany11]

It is perfectly legal for LEOs to pull you over to check your DL, but I know EPD (and many others) has a policy that they must have reason for a stop like seatbelt violation, speeding, headlight out etc...

Probably same reason they can do sobriety checkpoints.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Probably same reason they can do sobriety checkpoints.

Those burn my ass so bad!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:


And I don't even drink!!!

 

[Rookie]

It is perfectly legal for LEOs to pull you over to check your DL, but I know EPD (and many others) has a policy that they must have reason for a stop like seatbelt violation, speeding, headlight out etc...

It is completely unconstitutional if a DL check is the ONLY reason for a stop.

Delaware v. Prouse | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law

 

[Rookie]

Probably same reason they can do sobriety checkpoints.

Nope. Sobriety checks are also an infringement, but it's "for the children" so it's allowed.

Opinion: Why Are DUI Sobriety Checkpoints Constitutional?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

It is completely unconstitutional if a DL check is the ONLY reason for a stop.

Delaware v. Prouse | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law

Most people learn something new everyday... Today is my day to learn about 50.

 

[Rookie]

I'm here for you...

 

[Timjoebillybob]

It is perfectly legal for LEOs to pull you over to check your DL, but I know EPD (and many others) has a policy that they must have reason for a stop like seatbelt violation, speeding, headlight out etc...

Dang TF, I hate to do it to you twice in one day, let alone twice in one thread. But according to SCOTUS they can't just stop for DL/Registration checks.

Delaware v. Prouse - 440 U.S. 648 (1979) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

Probably same reason they can do sobriety checkpoints.

Actually slightly different reason, but it stems from the same case. See above.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

It is completely unconstitutional if a DL check is the ONLY reason for a stop.

Delaware v. Prouse | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law

Dang I been scooped. Dang cooking dinner.

 

[Rookie]

Dang TF, I hate to do it to you twice in one day, let alone twice in one thread. But according to SCOTUS they can't just stop for DL/Registration checks.

Delaware v. Prouse - 440 U.S. 648 (1979) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center



Actually slightly different reason, but it stems from the same case. See above.

You're three minutes late. You suck.

 

[Bill B]

Why would you not want to show your LTCH to a LEO? I mean really, I can't think of any instance where it would gain you anything but problems.

When I'm on my property?

 

[Bunnykid68]

When I'm on my property?

FTW and QFT

 

[swany11]

Nope. Sobriety checks are also an infringement, but it's "for the children" so it's allowed.

Opinion: Why Are DUI Sobriety Checkpoints Constitutional?

I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

 

[CathyInBlue]

There's also United States v. Brignoni-Ponce - 422 U.S. 873 (1975) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center, which said that racial profiling as the grounds for a stop and papers check is contrary to the 4th Amendment as well, so just because there's a rifle in the back window of the truck and a stars-and-bars bumper sticker, does not necessarily mean that it's a redneck at the wheel.

 

[DRob]

Peeves

Call this a thread jack if you wish.

This thread illustrates two of my pet peeves with forums.

1. A guy asks a question and somebody jumps him because he hasn't searched all over hell and half of Georgia first. Isn't it easier to just provide an answer or do we just like demeaning people?

2. A poster states an opinion and somebody demands a legal citation to support the statement. Just constantly looking for an argument are we?

The good news is that one person managed to hit both of the above in the same thread. One more to add to my ignore list.

 

[Roadie]

Call this a thread jack if you wish.

This thread illustrates two of my pet peeves with forums.

1. A guy asks a question and somebody jumps him because he hasn't searched all over hell and half of Georgia first. Isn't it easier to just provide an answer or do we just like demeaning people?

2. A poster states an opinion and somebody demands a legal citation to support the statement. Just constantly looking for an argument are we?

The good news is that one person managed to hit both of the above in the same thread. One more to add to my ignore list.

What exactly is wrong with asking for a legal citation? Which would you prefer to follow?

1: Random advice on the internet
2: Random advice backed up with facts?



..or you could just bock me too, I guess..

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Call this a thread jack if you wish.

This thread illustrates two of my pet peeves with forums.

1. A guy asks a question and somebody jumps him because he hasn't searched all over hell and half of Georgia first. Isn't it easier to just provide an answer or do we just like demeaning people?

2. A poster states an opinion and somebody demands a legal citation to support the statement. Just constantly looking for an argument are we?

The good news is that one person managed to hit both of the above in the same thread. One more to add to my ignore list.

I'm sure someone is weeping softly in a corner because they won't have you as a fan any longer.

 

[atvdave]

OK.. new direction....

I have my lifetime LTCH in the state of Indiana.. However I very rarely do carry one with me... So.. If I get pulled over by a LEO and he determines that I have a LTCH by my DL or LP and asks to see my LTCH.... do I need to provide it even though I do not have a HG on my person? or in my vehicle?

And if he dose not believe me doe's he have the right to search my person, and or vehicle?

 

[Roscoe38]

n00b

Why is it that when we have a big discussion in another thread some n00b gets an idea about a law but doesn't feel like they need to actually read anything and we should cater to THEIR question?

Ok, now THAT was snide...

Were you ever the n00b that really didn't know where to post?? Be kind, be courteous. Or better yet don't post.