ROTFLMAO, yeah. That was it.
May be he needed a more intimidating gun. He needed a serrated I-pod to play a track of slide racking 870s. May be he could glue one of those surveys to his back that have never ever shown a single person singled out because bad guys so him carrying and bluffed him out of his weapon with some plumbing supplies.
It would depend on if he was targeted for only his gun. I'm not sure. But it's possible. Stolen guns are a big commodity on the street.would the robbers have passed him up if he was not OCing? I seriously doubt it.
They OBVIOUSLY seen the gun and were after it, all of the "he could have been?" does not matter, it very likely would not have happened had he concealed carry, even so if they would have robbed him with brick and he was not totally knocked out he would have had his CC piece for defense!If he was so oblivious that he was unaware of two people coming up behind him until they touched the back of his head then it really doesn't matter if he was OCing or CCing. He could be robbed by someone with a brick.
If the thugs start figuring out that more and more non-cops are walking around with $400-$900 objects on their hips, don't be surprised if we hear more of these stories. Just a sign of the times if you ask me.
Nobody's situational awareness is 100%, all the time. That's one problem I have with OC. People get so comfortable with it, and seem to think that it's some sort of magic talisman against evil. Nothing could be further from the truth. Criminals do not think like normal people. Otherwise, they would not be criminals. A deterrent to you and I may be a challenge to them....especially if they are being influenced by drugs or mental illness.
When I argued against external safeties on carry guns, you said something along the lines of nobody being 100%, and an external safety can help prevent an ND when someone's attention slips. Could it not reasonably be argued that nobody's situational awareness is 100%, and thus an openly carried pistol may be much more subject to a gun grab than a concealed one?
I do not OC. I have never OC'd off of my property. I didnt even know OC was legal until a few months ago. I have been carrying for 14 years. I am not against OC. I believe that there may be time and a place for it. Walking down the street is not one of those times. I've seen alot of 20/20 hindsight in this thread.... "I'm aware".... "I'm careful"....... I'm not saying its not possible that another person would not have seen this assult and robbery of a weapon coming, but really. We all may think we're John Wayne, Rambo, Segal, Tony Danza....... C'mon this A&R probably happened in seconds. They'd have got you too. I'm not trying to tick anyone off, but those that have said "that would not happen to me", know in the back of your head that it could have. We can train all we want, be as paranoid as we want, double layer our tinfoil hats, but none of us are invincible. To pretend we are is as foolish as the two that robbed the OC'er.
Nobody's situational awareness is 100%, all the time. That's one problem I have with OC. People get so comfortable with it, and seem to think that it's some sort of magic talisman against evil. Nothing could be further from the truth. Criminals do not think like normal people. Otherwise, they would not be criminals. A deterrent to you and I may be a challenge to them....especially if they are being influenced by drugs or mental illness.
When I argued against external safeties on carry guns, you said something along the lines of nobody being 100%, and an external safety can help prevent an ND when someone's attention slips. Could it not reasonably be argued that nobody's situational awareness is 100%, and thus an openly carried pistol may be much more subject to a gun grab than a concealed one?
Can't you admit that the outcome may have been drastically different if he had noticed the two guys coming his way at any point before the "metal object" came into play? It is easy to mock situational awareness. I don't see the humor in what I said. I see the common sense.
Rep added for the entire post, but I'm stealing this for my signature.This is a discussion board. We're here to discuss, even if we <gasp> disagree.
I will go on record to say that OC'ing has merit in certain places. I understand that and have OC'ed, but only while on the clock. When off duty I prefer to CC and for what it's worth I spent a year in a plain clothes unit and CC'ed on duty and loved that when I was doing it. I just prefer to CC.
My only issue is that most of the people I run into, and just through what is posted here, a lot of the OC'ers do it for the attention it gains them. It is that mindset I have a problem with. Yes there are those that don't do it for this reason and I have no issue with that.
Did you ever think that it is not always for the attention it gains someone personally, but for the attention it gains firearm owners collectively? I don't need to open carry for personal attention. I have the three cutest kids ever, so if I want attention, I take them out in public. I always get comments on how cute they are, how well behaved, etc. 80% of the time when I'm open carrying, I have the kids with me. I'd rather people see me open carrying, and think of an average guy with three cute kids (ages 1, 3, and 4) instead of the crap spewed by rappers, muggers, newspapers, TV, etc.
Here's some food for thought (and a feeble attempt at curbing any degenerative OC vs. CC posts):
If you were in the same situation, and you realized that someone was attempting to remove your gun, what would you do?
Would a reaction of lethal force (by you) be warranted?
Curious as to your thoughts. . . .
If someone puts a cold metal object to the back of my head and demands my property, I definitely consider THAT as warranting lethal force!