The guy that was killed was shot and stabbed. Quite possibly he drew in self defense...
Lotsa possibilities, including threatening the other guy with his gun and got the blade as a result of it? Wonder if the guy was OCing or CCing?
The guy that was killed was shot and stabbed. Quite possibly he drew in self defense...
Lotsa possibilities, including threatening the other guy with his gun and got the blade as a result of it? Wonder if the guy was OCing or CCing?
On this I would politely disagree in part. Otherwise comparing absolute criminal homicides doesn't mean much. One needs to ask how the per capita numbers are measured: metropolitan area or the city proper. The FBI keeps track of both for metro areas. What I would agree with is the need to dig deeper into the demographics of the murders, and not purely by race, but more by gang involvement and economic class as I believe those are the real drivers. As an aside, Indianapolis is considered one of the higher criminal homicide rates in the nation in the top 20-25. This was shocking when I discovered it. The figures I've seen show it in the top ten for violent crime; the criminal homicide numbers belie this. Chiraq, while perhaps the closest is actually safer than St. Louis, Cleveland or Detroit. Cincinnati also has major problems. The worst is probably East St. Louis, but it isn't usually listed as it doesn't have a population in excess of 200k-250k.
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Rates still doesn't show the magnitude IMO as it is based on a number of population. But what kind of population?
Rates doesn't specifically target a location and demographics. IMO rates is a lazy way to categorizing a city's murder crimes.
But straight number of deaths don't really tell you much either. City A had 144 criminal homicides in 2015, city B had 50. Which would you say is safer? But city A had a per capita rate of 16.9 and city B was 64.7 Would it help if told you that city A was Indianapolis and that city B was Gary? Per capita numbers by themselves may or may not tell you much, but the same with just the number of times either. As I mentioned there were 2 years that my town had rate of about 38, but that entailed a total of 2 murder each year.
And yes rates target a location, whether that location is a neighborhood, entire city, state, nation, etc. They can also target specific demographics. Be it based on type of employment, income, prior criminal status, race, just about any kind of demographic you wish to target.
Yep, lots of possibilities. But the actions of the shooter afterwards makes some a bit more likely than others, at least IMO.
Then stats should do that to be more specific. Indianapolis is decent size city and on the indy crime map, the crime locations are clustered on specific areas.
The Gary/Indianapolis example is what exactly I meant, the rates doesn't reflect as both cities are of different sizes. Indy is big enough that the crime rates doesn't reflect the whole city while Gary is small enough that it reflects almost the whole city itself.
How does the saying go?
There's lies, there's damned lies, then there's statistics...
I don't disagree. However, all we know is what the news is reporting. Their accuracy is always questionable.
I'd like to learn how the poor gent was killed with his own gun. There is learning to be had by all of us in these details.
How does the saying go?
There's lies, there's damned lies, then there's statistics...
I'd like to learn how the poor gent was killed with his own gun. There is learning to be had by all of us in these details.
Last line "How did a convicted felon get a gun"
Does no one proofread anymore?
I've always thought that was an ironic saying, since statistics are intrinsically honest.
Me too. I won't be surprised if the bad guy was just on him too quick for him to draw, or maybe he did draw but hesitated, or maybe he was carrying without one in the chamber.
Littering?? Did they make the perp sit on the Group W bench? Oh wait, that requires creatin' a nuisance too.I have no idea how familiar you are with NWI and Gary in particular, but actually no the stats for Gary don't reflect the whole city. There are better and worse parts just like Indy, or pretty much any city. I used to live there and where I lived was pretty safe, there was one murder in the 6 or so years I lived there and it was of the type that could pretty much happen anywhere. It was a targeted hit stemming from what iirc was rumored to have been because someone ripped off a large drug dealer. My wife lived there for probably 15 yrs or so, the one neighborhood the only problems she had were from drunks from the local bar arguing outside, or peeing next to her apartment. The other, littering. Here is a map, while it doesn't show specific crimes it shows the different areas from safest to least safe. And there are divisions in the areas that vary as well.
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/in/gary/crime
Is there any video of the incident out yet?
I would not expect it to enter public domain for awhile, if ever.
statistics can be presented in ways that are not appropriate...
Sad situation being shot with his own gun, listen to Tuco.