Metal detectors at Riley Hospital

[brotherbill3]

QUESTION -
I Riley an actual legally prohibited place? I didn't think it was, so carrying against rules was Disarm, Leave or get trespassing charge, (if noticed) ... correct?

My daughter works there. There have been issues in the garage - but usually - when it was late - nurses could get a security escort to their car. ...

Policy is DUMB. ... but I guess I'm stating the obvious. ...

 

[drillsgt]

I don't like the idea of having to be disarmed but I suppose they're doing what they believe they have to do to increase security. This is the types of measures many folks including gun folks were calling for at our schools after Parkland. Like others have said, if/when a relative of mine needs serious/specialty healthcare, I'm going where the best care is regardless of their gun policies. I can go to a different restaurant or store but I'll leave my gun in my truck to make sure my loved ones are well taken care of.

I guess it depends on what they think they are preventing? The position of the AMA and the AAP are that guns are a public health crisis and likely that just the presence of guns are dangerous. So the detectors may be there to simply prevent the law abiding from carrying. I hope they are not naive enough to think that the detectors will deter a shooter?

 

[stephen87]

Riley may HAVE BEEN the best children's hospital in the state, now they have implemented an unacceptable security problem for my family.

What is the alternative to Riley?

There isn't an alternative. There are FOUR level 1 trauma centers in the state of Indiana. IU Methodist, Eskenazi, St Vincent 86th and the ONLY pediatric trauma center is Riley.

Quite honestly, I am surprised it took this long for them to implement it. IU Methodist is next, I would put money on it. They already place a metal detector at the ER entrance, I'm sure the other doors are next.

 

[minuteman32]

Need to make metal detectors more cost prohibitive!

 

[CPT Nervous]

That's not really relevant.

Assuming you carry off duty and you carry LEO ID, would you not use that to carry wherever it would be allowed with your credentials?

That's not how that works. It depends entirely upon where it is. Some places are okay with it, others aren't. Private property is still private property.

Look at the Four Winds casino in South Bend. South Bend police officers are not allowed to carry on the property, even on duty. Only Pokagon Tribal and St. Joseph County Police are allowed to carry firearms on tribal land. Oh, and of course the armored truck company that protects their money. I know that's a little different, but it's a good example of how having a badge doesn't grant you special rights.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don't believe that. Not that you or anyone else GAS.

You don't believe that a LOT of LEOs don't carry off duty? Lots of officers, and I MEAN lots don't own guns outside of their issued sidearm. Given that I assume you know how difficult it is to carry comfortably a full size firearm, how often do you think such officers would carry off-duty?

 

[bwframe]

That's not really relevant.

Assuming you carry off duty and you carry LEO ID, would you not use that to carry wherever it would be allowed with your credentials?

That's not how that works. It depends entirely upon where it is. Some places are okay with it, others aren't. Private property is still private property.

Look at the Four Winds casino in South Bend. South Bend police officers are not allowed to carry on the property, even on duty. Only Pokagon Tribal and St. Joseph County Police are allowed to carry firearms on tribal land. Oh, and of course the armored truck company that protects their money. I know that's a little different, but it's a good example of how having a badge doesn't grant you special rights.

I understand and thank you for the comparison.

Are you aware of any specific medical facilities that turn away armed officers with LEO ID?
Does security call the department to verify "on duty" or take them at their word?

 

[Kutnupe14]

I understand and thank you for the comparison.

Are you aware of any specific medical facilities that turn away armed officers with LEO ID?
Does security call the department to verify "on duty"?

What are you asking exactly? Are you asking if hospitals deny entry to off-duty officers carrying a gun, or are you asking if off-duty officers purposefully ignore the wishes of the hospital, while off-duty, by flashing their badge?

 

[bwframe]

That's not really relevant.

Assuming you carry off duty and you carry LEO ID, would you not use that to carry wherever it would be allowed with your credentials?

What are you asking exactly? Are you asking if hospitals deny entry to off-duty officers carrying a gun, or are you asking if off-duty officers purposefully ignore the wishes of the hospital, while off-duty, by flashing their badge?

Thank you sir, but I'll wait for someone that will answer the question, rather than run around it.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Thank you sir, but I'll wait for someone that will answer the question, rather than run around it.

That's not a run around that asking for clarification of the question.

 

[CPT Nervous]

I understand and thank you for the comparison.

Are you aware of any specific medical facilities that turn away armed officers with LEO ID?
Does security call the department to verify "on duty" or take them at their word?

I know Memorial Hospital of South Bend does not allow off duty LEO to carry. This generally applies to plainclothes concealed carry. If the LEO is in uniform, no one will care. The security or police officers working there generally let off duty LE carry concealed, but it is against policy.

Memorial security/police will secure your firearm in a lockbox and give you the key if you don't want to leave it in your car. That is for everyone, not just LE.

 

[bwframe]

I know Memorial Hospital of South Bend does not allow off duty LEO to carry. This generally applies to plainclothes concealed carry. If the LEO is in uniform, no one will care. The security or police officers working there generally let off duty LE carry concealed, but it is against policy.

Memorial security/police will secure your firearm in a lockbox and give you the key if you don't want to leave it in your car. That is for everyone, not just LE.

Thanks again sir for the honest answers!

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I guess it depends on what they think they are preventing? The position of the AMA and the AAP are that guns are a public health crisis and likely that just the presence of guns are dangerous. So the detectors may be there to simply prevent the law abiding from carrying. I hope they are not naive enough to think that the detectors will deter a shooter?

Oh no, I believe they believe they are prohibiting all people they deem unqualified from carrying guns into their facilities. And yes, you are correct, a determined killer conceivably might use their first shots to clear the deterrence from their entry. I've said the same about the security at our plant and their no-guns-policy. All a person would have to do is simply walk by the unarmed guard and by the time the cops would get there, no telling how many people s/he could kill.

 

[brotherbill3]

 

[HoughMade]

I don't have enough for this thread.

 

[rhino]

I know Memorial Hospital of South Bend does not allow off duty LEO to carry. This generally applies to plainclothes concealed carry. If the LEO is in uniform, no one will care. The security or police officers working there generally let off duty LE carry concealed, but it is against policy.

Memorial security/police will secure your firearm in a lockbox and give you the key if you don't want to leave it in your car. That is for everyone, not just LE.

That's actually a helpful thing. I don't expect the same courtesy from Riley.

I understand that some of our fellow INGO member don't "get it" when some of us react so negatively to the potential of being disarmed just to enter a premises or a state. Those individuals have made a commitment to being armed all the time and not picking and choosing when they might need to be armed or not. Some people won't or can't understand much less accept that principle, mindset, and decision, but that's okay because it's America (kind of, still). I do not expect people who regularly attend entertainment events with metal detectors or travel to places where they cannot be armed, or who feel comfortable not carrying to understand, much less withhold comment.

 

[Bucknut]

My son was at Riley for several months. This was prior to the new tower/parking facility. Had to use the Wilson Street garage next to the old Wishard Hospital location. The garage was a dump and the walk to and from the garage (usually in the dark) was interesting. Carried every day there for months.

 

[lonehoosier]

That's actually a helpful thing. I don't expect the same courtesy from Riley.

I understand that some of our fellow INGO member don't "get it" when some of us react so negatively to the potential of being disarmed just to enter a premises or a state. Those individuals have made a commitment to being armed all the time and not picking and choosing when they might need to be armed or not. Some people won't or can't understand much less accept that principle, mindset, and decision, but that's okay because it's America (kind of, still). I do not expect people who regularly attend entertainment events with metal detectors or travel to places where they cannot be armed, or who feel comfortable not carrying to understand, much less withhold comment.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to rhino again.
This is the second time, someone please Rep him for me.

 

[GIJEW]

I know Memorial Hospital of South Bend does not allow off duty LEO to carry. This generally applies to plainclothes concealed carry. If the LEO is in uniform, no one will care. The security or police officers working there generally let off duty LE carry concealed, but it is against policy.

Memorial security/police will secure your firearm in a lockbox and give you the key if you don't want to leave it in your car. That is for everyone, not just LE.

Nice touch about the lockbox since they won't be there to protect you in the parking lot. I wish the 'city-county-building' in indpls would do that.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

That's actually a helpful thing. I don't expect the same courtesy from Riley.

I understand that some of our fellow INGO member don't "get it" when some of us react so negatively to the potential of being disarmed just to enter a premises or a state. Those individuals have made a commitment to being armed all the time and not picking and choosing when they might need to be armed or not. Some people won't or can't understand much less accept that principle, mindset, and decision, but that's okay because it's America (kind of, still). I do not expect people who regularly attend entertainment events with metal detectors or travel to places where they cannot be armed, or who feel comfortable not carrying to understand, much less withhold comment.

I carry whenever I can, but it's not a fetish. Risk/reward enters the equation. If my son needs medical care and Riley is the best option, the reward of better medical care far outweighs the risk of being temporarily without a firearm. Ideally I'd like to have both, but if I have to choose it's a very easy decision to make.