"People aren't laughing at preppers now."

[csaws]

When this is over, it begs the question...how fast will the light bulb dim in the mind of the sheeple?

Very quickly, most likely before the gates are fully reopened at Disney.

 

[KittySlayer]

Stockpiles not being used is inefficient. We can't ***** about inefficiencies in the bad times when we laud it as the goal in good times.

My comment about penny pinching is not why I am keeping the limited supply of masks (not a stockpile).

When my business reopens following this quarantine I need to protect my receptionist from the people coming in the front door. She has a newborn at home and wants/needs a mask. She has to work because her spouse’s new(er) restaurant was destroyed by the shutdown. I have other employees that want to work and need a paycheck. I have worked with some of these people over two decades and my loyalty to them makes me want to keep them safe. It’s not like I will be able to buy new masks in a couple of weeks.

My limited home supply is for my family. My wife is a nurse in a hospital that fails to provide her with proper PPE. I will keep my supply at home so she can continue to work safely.

I will I’ll not be guilted into giving up supplies I have to protect the people I care about. I am not hoarding, but keeping an appropriate supply. I do not feel like BBI was coming down on me personally but rather hoarding in general.

 

[Trigger Time]

Some liberal whiner at work found the box of Flu mask(*) I had in the office supply closet. “We should be donating those to a hospital”. Sorry lady, those are to protect our employees when we open our business back up and try to make enough money to keep everyone employed. They are now hidden in a locked room to prevent “donation”.

The failure of hospitals to prioritize patient care and employee protection over profits is not my fault. Pinching pennies with low supply inventories and just in time shipping is biting them in the butt.


(*) Bought this box of mask for the predicted Bird Flu pandemic that never happened.



I thought Obama outlawed the good light bulbs. I hate the new ones, they are too dim.

This hits the nail on the head.
I do believe in getting our hospital workers and police, fire and other TRUE front line workers needed PPE. But I still do not believe in socialism and "spreading the wealth".
A donation is one thing, but if this mask demand becomes an order by law, ****em. This is what we have talked about before many times as people who prepare for shtf.
The government WILL come for your supplies in times of shortages if they know you have them. Anyone not trusted who knows details of your preps WILL rat you out to save their own bacon.

While I want to see front line workers have the gear they need, I WILL NOT short myself or my family and cause us immediate or longterm danger by forfeiting my supplies. Hard choices will have to be made. Anyone who has truly prepared knows this. You may have to choose who lives and who dies out of friends and family. Actually you will have to, if they haven't all prepared too or if they lose their preps ect.
This isn't on you. If you want your family to survive, you will have to make tough choices. The time to be wishy washy is over. Say no and be prepared to defend your answer to the death.
I'm not saying don't help those in need. We are a long ways off from people starving to death or not having meds ect. But you had better be ready. Plan ahead.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I do not feel like BBI was coming down on me personally but rather hoarding in general.

Definitely wasn't coming down on you, period. Just a comment. People laud the "efficiency" of the private sector as they whine about how the government can't do anything right and we should run it like a private business. Not having stockpiles is efficient and is rewarded in the private sector with profit. We're seeing when the supply chain breaks down what happens. Being efficient isn't always being prepared to be effective. We need an effective government, and sometimes we need regulations to enforce effectiveness in the economy, even at the cost of short term efficiency. That gets lost in the conversation sometimes as people yell 'socialism' at anything they perceive as something they don't like. So, hospitals don't have the reserves they need because it's not profitable and there's no incentive to do so. The supply chain's inability to keep up with all the "lean sigma" and JIT processes mean a blip in the infrastructure ripples way further and way harder then it would have in decades before. But, we're efficient in the good times.

 

[Slonsteady]

My wife is a nurse at the large county hospital has been reusing PPE for two weeks. Now they are sterilizing it with UV. Kind of like
how the barber used to sanitize his tools of the trade. We are not happy about the situation but she does what has to be done. My pregnant daughter works at a large private hospital as a nurse, I am terrified for her. The lack of PPE is real, would you send an army into battle without first aid and and bullets?

 

[Phase2]

The lack of PPE is real, would you send an army into battle without first aid and and bullets?

Absolutely you would. You fight with what you have when you are the defenders.

If you are fighting a battle of conquest, you wouldn't attack unless you had superior resources/tactics. If you are fighting a defensive battle (which we are in this case), you fight with whatever you have to work with.

Being well prepared is certainly much better and makes the situation much more survivable, but when you are the side being attacked, you fight as best you can with what you have available.

 

[JettaKnight]

Survival Food Frog Egg Soup...

Wait - didn't eating weird **** get us into this mess in the first place?

 

[JettaKnight]

Absolutely you would. You fight with what you have when you are the defenders.

If you are fighting a battle of conquest, you wouldn't attack unless you had superior resources/tactics. If you are fighting a defensive battle (which we are in this case), you fight with whatever you have to work with.

Being well prepared is certainly much better and makes the situation much more survivable, but when you are the side being attacked, you fight as best you can with what you have available.

[video=youtube;KMjYNKED0U0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMjYNKED0U0[/video]

 

[bwframe]

I think a lot of medical facilities will learn some prepping themselves through this pandemic. Possibly through govt mandates?

Hopefully, we escape this tragedy to up our game from the learning experience. Our FDA will hopefully be rejiggered to accommodate what we have learned vs the bureaucratic self-feeding govt growing beast that they became under Obama.

 

[Thor]

The lack of PPE is real, would you send an army into battle without first aid and and bullets?

As others have said, why yes they would. When my dad got dropped into the Pusan pocket at the start of the Korean War he was given an M-1 Carbine and no bullets and told to start marching for the front. They were told that the supplies would catch up to them...eventually they did, but not before they needed them.

 

[Rookie]

I’ve never had any interest is sharing my readiness status with anyone but immediate family. That seems counterproductive to me. As for acquaintances, they can laugh all they want. I need no affirmation.

Yup. On the last day of work, a guy came up to me and asked if I had bought anything to prep for this. I flat out lied and told him I hadn't bought anything.

 

[indyjohn]

I’ve never had any interest is sharing my readiness status with anyone but immediate family. That seems counterproductive to me. As for acquaintances, they can laugh all they want. I need no affirmation.

Yup. On the last day of work, a guy came up to me and asked if I had bought anything to prep for this. I flat out lied and told him I hadn't bought anything.

Same. One guy at work called me out after a period of time and subtle comments I have made in conversation. He is of a similar attitude but much less discreet about his activities.

 

[dieselrealtor]

A friend of mine told me about someone he worked with a few years ago that was very verbal about all the provisions he had. He then asked my friend what he was going to do if something happened, my friend laughingly told him that he knew where he lived & he was just going to go over there (didn't really mean it). The guy acted kind of shocked & glared at him.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

I told 'em I'd bought a case of water and a case of beans. Which was the truth. When they ask how many guns I tell 'em I have two. Which is the truth. In my truck. Usually. It fluctuates.

 

[longbow]

I think a lot of medical facilities will learn some prepping themselves through this pandemic. Possibly through govt mandates?

Hopefully, we escape this tragedy to up our game from the learning experience. Our FDA will hopefully be rejiggered to accommodate what we have learned vs the bureaucratic self-feeding govt growing beast that they became under Obama.

I'veworked with and been in many hospitals. They are not built with the space to stockpile this gear. They have a buffer for weather delays and surges, but not the amount stored like they should. They will have to have off site warehousing after this.

 

[Lex Concord]

An interesting (and reasonable) explanation of the great TP shortage of 2020...it's not all about the panic.

https://marker.medium.com/what-everyones-getting-wrong-about-the-toilet-paper-shortage-c812e1358fe0

 

[csaws]

I had a friend I’d haven’t talked to in about 5 years call me today, first words out of his mouth were “I bet people aren’t laughing at you now are they?” I said you got it pal.

 

[csaws]

An interesting (and reasonable) explanation of the great TP shortage of 2020...it's not all about the panic.

https://marker.medium.com/what-everyones-getting-wrong-about-the-toilet-paper-shortage-c812e1358fe0

Nevermind the “fact” that stores only stock about 3 days worth of overstock. Meaning if they don’t get a truck for 4 days their shelves would in theory be barren.

 

[JettaKnight]

Nevermind the “fact” that stores only stock about 3 days worth of overstock. Meaning if they don’t get a truck for 4 days their shelves would in theory be barren.

Blame the Japanese and their Just In Time methods.

 

[csaws]

Blame the Japanese and their Just In Time methods.

I refuse to blame “someone” not responsible for the problem. The fact is the Japanese don’t control the shipping and ordering methods of US based companies. That is liberal thinking at its finest. The problem lies solely with the corporation(s).