PEOPLE, PLEASE STOP FOR SCHOOL BUSES!!!!

[actaeon277]

Great idea actually

Yes. They talk on TV about gun stuff from across the country and everyone "knows" guns are dangerous.
Yet everyday they operate 2 ton killing machines, and no one bats an eye.

 

[HoughMade]

Wait....are you guys under the impression that what the media outlets want is to save as many lives as possible?

 

[Dead Duck]

Wait....are you guys under the impression that what the media outlets want is to save as many lives as possible?

Sex and death sells.

 

[HoughMade]

Sex and death sells.

This is about eyes. Sex sells for obvious reasons. VIOLENCE, not simply death, sells for similar reasons, plus fear. Auto accidents? There's no voyeuristic cache' there.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

​mens rea

Now, now, we don't know if it was "that time of the month" or not...

 

[red_zr24x4]

Doesn't matter. A reasonable person, seeing flashing lights of any sort that so much as MIGHT be on the road, would slow down and increase scrutiny until they have determined whether the road is clear.

Ever worked on the side of the road?
We have strobe lights, flaggers ,cones and signs and I think most people speed up.

 

[rosejm]

Auto accidents? There's no voyeuristic cache' there.

Tell that to the rubber-neckers who can't focus on the road ahead while they pass one.
While I appreciate your point, I think maybe we're selling this option short.

 

[ATOMonkey]

I think the bottom line is that too many people consider operating their automobile to be a 2nd or 3rd priority while behind the wheel, and that they are the most important person on the road.

I don't mind throwing the book at them. I don't care why someone is distracted. If Mother Teressa ran over 3 kids while healing the sick, I'd still lock her in the dungeon.

 

[actaeon277]

I think the bottom line is that too many people consider operating their automobile to be a 2nd or 3rd priority while behind the wheel, and that they are the most important person on the road.

I don't mind throwing the book at them. I don't care why someone is distracted. If Mother Teressa ran over 3 kids while healing the sick, I'd still lock her in the dungeon.

Yup

 

[IndyTom]

I'm not sure everyone has read the available information on this as I'm seeing a lot of statements suggesting that something happened other than what is known.

1 - She was driving the opposite direction of the bus. She did not pass it from behind.
2 - For whatever reason, she thought the bus was a tractor.
3 - She wasn't speeding. The woman following her, who did ID the bus as a bus, stated that she was driving 45 mph, 10 below the limit.
4 - She didn't flee the scene. She pulled over and called 911.
5 - While she did work at the place (a church) that she was later arrested at, she didn't just "go to work" after being released by the police around 8 hours after the accident.

Additionally - The driver of the bus waved the kids over while there was still oncoming traffic approaching and the parents had been asking the school district to move the stop for YEARS so their children didn't have to cross a highway in the dark.

While she will be punished for this, I'm not seeing where she made a bad choice. If it comes out that she was on her phone, then that was the choice that cost lives. Otherwise, it was a horrible accident that is going to destroy at least two families. Click-bait reporting has gotten so many people worked up and angry at a woman who, so far, was just in a bad situation.

It won't make them whole, but the parents should sue the school district for putting their kids in that position in the first place.

 

[ATOMonkey]

I'm not sure everyone has read the available information on this as I'm seeing a lot of statements suggesting that something happened other than what is known.

1 - She was driving the opposite direction of the bus. She did not pass it from behind.
2 - For whatever reason, she thought the bus was a tractor.
3 - She wasn't speeding. The woman following her, who did ID the bus as a bus, stated that she was driving 45 mph, 10 below the limit.
4 - She didn't flee the scene. She pulled over and called 911.
5 - While she did work at the place (a church) that she was later arrested at, she didn't just "go to work" after being released by the police around 8 hours after the accident.

Additionally - The driver of the bus waved the kids over while there was still oncoming traffic approaching and the parents had been asking the school district to move the stop for YEARS so their children didn't have to cross a highway in the dark.

While she will be punished for this, I'm not seeing where she made a bad choice. If it comes out that she was on her phone, then that was the choice that cost lives. Otherwise, it was a horrible accident that is going to destroy at least two families. Click-bait reporting has gotten so many people worked up and angry at a woman who, so far, was just in a bad situation.

It won't make them whole, but the parents should sue the school district for putting their kids in that position in the first place.

Didn't yield for flashing lights. Bad choice. She didn't consider that flashing lights at 7 am could be a school bus. Bad choice. She didn't identify the objects (children) in front of her vehicle. Bad Choice.

She was not just "in a bad situation."

This was not an accident. This was negligence.
That is why her life will be over. She will spend the rest of her life in jail and when(if) she gets out, she won't be employable or even likely to find a residence.

Actions have consequences.

I agree that they should bring suit against the school. Especially since they have YEARS of complaining about this very thing happening. The fact that the school moved the bus stop after the fact is their admission of fault.

 

[actaeon277]

If 45 was too fast for her to see, identify, and stop, then she WAS going too fast.
If you see flashing yellow (or red), and don't know why, then if you have to go 5... THEN GO 5.

I don't care if it's a school bus, a tractor, or a police car.

 

[HoughMade]

...This was not an accident. This was negligence.

It's both. They are not mutually exclusive.

That is why her life will be over. She will spend the rest of her life in jail...

No she won't. Not even close.

 

[alabasterjar]

I'm not sure everyone has read the available information on this as I'm seeing a lot of statements suggesting that something happened other than what is known.

1 - She was driving the opposite direction of the bus. She did not pass it from behind.
2 - For whatever reason, she thought the bus was a tractor.
3 - She wasn't speeding. The woman following her, who did ID the bus as a bus, stated that she was driving 45 mph, 10 below the limit.
4 - She didn't flee the scene. She pulled over and called 911.
5 - While she did work at the place (a church) that she was later arrested at, she didn't just "go to work" after being released by the police around 8 hours after the accident.

Additionally - The driver of the bus waved the kids over while there was still oncoming traffic approaching and the parents had been asking the school district to move the stop for YEARS so their children didn't have to cross a highway in the dark.

While she will be punished for this, I'm not seeing where she made a bad choice. If it comes out that she was on her phone, then that was the choice that cost lives. Otherwise, it was a horrible accident that is going to destroy at least two families. Click-bait reporting has gotten so many people worked up and angry at a woman who, so far, was just in a bad situation.

It won't make them whole, but the parents should sue the school district for putting their kids in that position in the first place.

Bus driver waved the kids across, means the red blinky blinky were activated. Red blinky blinky doesn't mean "tractor". It means STOP. Holy $&#+, I learned that in elementary school.

 

[d.kaufman]

Bus driver waved the kids across, means the red blinky blinky were activated. Red blinky blinky doesn't mean "tractor". It means STOP. Holy $&#+, I learned that in elementary school.

 

[alabasterjar]

It won't make them whole, but the parents should sue the school district for putting their kids in that position in the first place.

So let's id all of those with any level of responsibility here, in no specific order.
1. The kids.
2. The bus driver.
3. The school district (not sure sure I actually agree with that, but I include them because it seems to be your scapegoat here).
4. The driver of the truck that hit the kids.
5. The parents of the children.

Look through that list and honestly evaluate who had the most control over this event. Seriously. Who bears the primary responsibility here?

Wanna blame the kids?
The bus driver?
The parents? Yeah, I could bring some heat down on them, since it is being reported that they thought the stop was dangerous. If you truly feel the stop is dangerous, why wouldn't you sit tight with your kids and escort them to the bus? Regardless, I don't see how the parents could have changed this scenario (bus driver waving kids on).
The school district? Maybe the bus stop was in a **** poor location. Maybe not.

The core problem wasn't the bus stop location. If the bus was loading, the RED blinking lights were on. Driver admits to seeing the lights. Driver blew through a bus stop with red lights blinking. Didn't matter that the bus was in a curve, based on the information I have seen, the driver would have blown through the stop regardless of location. And you think that this is a case to sue the school district??? Seriously???

 

[Dead Duck]

So let's id all of those with any level of responsibility here, in no specific order.
1. The kids.
2. The bus driver.
3. The school district (not sure sure I actually agree with that, but I include them because it seems to be your scapegoat here).
4. The driver of the truck that hit the kids.
5. The parents of the children.

Look through that list and honestly evaluate who had the most control over this event. Seriously. Who bears the primary responsibility here?

Wanna blame the kids?
The bus driver?
The parents? Yeah, I could bring some heat down on them, since it is being reported that they thought the stop was dangerous. If you truly feel the stop is dangerous, why wouldn't you sit tight with your kids and escort them to the bus? Regardless, I don't see how the parents could have changed this scenario (bus driver waving kids on).
The school district? Maybe the bus stop was in a **** poor location. Maybe not.

The core problem wasn't the bus stop location. If the bus was loading, the RED blinking lights were on. Driver admits to seeing the lights. Driver blew through a bus stop with red lights blinking. Didn't matter that the bus was in a curve, based on the information I have seen, the driver would have blown through the stop regardless of location. And you think that this is a case to sue the school district??? Seriously???

Hey...
Let's not forget that if the parents hadn't had been drinking that one night, they wouldn't have gotten pregnant and had those kids in the first place so....... Alcohol.

6. Alcohol.

*Note - That might be a sub-category under - '5. The parents of the children'.












....and who's the moron that invented school bus stops anyway?

Maybe number 7.

 

[Thor]

And you think that this is a case to sue the taxpayers??? Seriously???

FIFY.

Litigation lottery.

 

[hoosierdoc]

I was driving near 96th and ditch one night. Going slow-ish since it was raining. I saw blue and red lights flashing in the trees next to the road. I was looking at it wondering why a police car was in the trees and didn’t see the officer in the road only lit up by a red glow stick thing he was using to direct traffic out of some wealthy estate driveway.

I told him if he wanted to be seen he should park the car in the road or shut the lights off.

Drivers can be distracted by things outside the vehicle is my point

 

[femurphy77]

Bus driver waved the kids across, means the red blinky blinky were activated. Red blinky blinky doesn't mean "tractor". It means STOP. Holy $&#+, I learned that in elementary school.

Red blinky blinky does not equate to cone of invincibility. Bad decision of bus driver to "assume" cone of invincibility would protect the kids from inattentive drivers or bad decision to "assume" red blinky blinky would make inattentive drivers stop. Not blaming ANYBODY but assumptions can go out in all directions if they're fair game. None of it matters though, those kids are still in the ground. Put away the ****ing phone, turn off the damn barney video, stop eating your breakfast, reading your newspaper, etc. Pay attention and drive the damned car. Would it be great if as a gun owner we had the lax attitude about guns that people had about cars? Can you imagine? "Oh, I didn't think about target shooting in the direction of the school I was facebooking, my bad!" Slap on the wrist, promise not to do it again, seeya bye!