Poll. Would you provide security for a MDA mom that just mocked you?

[MCgrease08]

BTW, These morons couldn't even get 60 people to show up for their big rally at the Kroger annual meeting today, and they've been planning this thing for months.

 

[88GT]

Yep, I would. Great opportunity to inspire a change in someone's opinion. Instead, that guy chose to be a dick.

Her opinion was already changed the minute she asked for the escort. If she continues on with the MDA bandwagon, she's a hypocrite. If she leaves it and continues with her new self-evaluation, there may be hope.

If she's so ****ing sure firearms are that bad, she can walk the path her big mouth made.

 

[Faine]

I think you just have to be true to self. When you put your gun on each day do you think, I'm doing this to protect myself? I'm doing this to protect myself and my family. Or do you put it on and say, I'm doing this to protect everyone I encounter. If you were witnessing an armed robbery or an assault between 2 other people but were not in direct danger yourself would you just let it happen or would you assert yourself in an attempt to protect the victim? Whatever you choose, there's no wrong answer other than not being true to self. If you put it on to only protect you, that's your right, to take on the burden of protecting someone else is a huge responsibility, luckily it's one you can choose for yourself. If however, you choose to protect everyone you encounter and choose not to help a personage of the MDA variety, I think that is a showing of poor character and is hypocritical and provides a disservice to yourself, the community, and all gun owners.

 

[bigretic]

Also, voted no.

There is no greater teacher than failure.

didn't read the link, but I have refused jobs on more than one occasion due to knowing who the client was ahead of time. (organization) And them being "misaligned" with my personal views of reality and logic.

 

[JTScribe]

I wouldn't help her at all. Have no problem being called a dick by some on this board. Having armed guards didn't change the mind of Shannon Watts when she had her demonstration during the NRA convention. The idea that this woman would change her mind is naive.

If such a scary incident would get her to think about carrying, my help would be irrelevant.

Yeah, kinda with you there. To paraphrase, "you will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no." "

If it had just been a passive interaction and she was wearing the T-shirt I would have had no problem with it. But carrying on and making a spectacle is a totally different situation.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Yes. Who I am is not predicated upon the opinions or actions of others. I also do not try to discern if a woman is a lady before opening the door for her.


(if she was hot I may ask her to trade the security service for that tee shirt....NO, strike that - bad! Very Bad!)

 

[BiscuitNaBasket]

I think some people have misinterpreted the question. The question was:

Would you provide security for a MDA mom that just mocked you?

Providing "security" is inherently different from protecting somebody from grave bodily harm.

No, I would not provide "security", but that doesn't mean that I would stand idly by if I felt that her life was in danger.

 

[actaeon277]

I think some people have misinterpreted the question. The question was:

Providing "security" is inherently different from protecting somebody from grave bodily harm.

No, I would not provide "security", but that doesn't mean that I would stand idly by if I felt that her life was in danger.

maybe I misspoke "security".
The woman in the article wished for the man to walk her to her car, in case the belligerent person decided to try something.
Would you walk her to her car as she asked? Or just walk away?

 

[BiscuitNaBasket]

maybe I misspoke "security".
The woman in the article wished for the man to walk her to her car, in case the belligerent person decided to try something.
Would you walk her to her car as she asked? Or just walk away?

I would tell her that I am walking to my car and she could follow if she wished.

 

[chezuki]

I think some people have misinterpreted the question. The question was:

Providing "security" is inherently different from protecting somebody from grave bodily harm.

No, I would not provide "security", but that doesn't mean that I would stand idly by if I felt that her life was in danger.

The title of the THR article is worded provocatively. "Question of the Day: Would You Provide Security for a ‘Disarmenter’ Who’d Mocked You?"

The woman didn't ask for someone to "provide security", she was uncomfortable and asked someone to walk her to her car. Politics and personal opinions aside, If someone is being sincere and honestly feels uncomfortable enough to ask, I have a hard time imagining a scenario where I would deny the request.

 

[pudly]

The title of the THR article is worded provocatively. "Question of the Day: Would You Provide Security for a ‘Disarmenter’ Who’d Mocked You?"

The woman didn't ask for someone to "provide security", she was uncomfortable and asked someone to walk her to her car. Politics and personal opinions aside, If someone is being sincere and honestly feels uncomfortable enough to ask, I have a hard time imagining a scenario where I would deny the request.

From the article:

some yuppie soccer Mom type wear(ing) a “Moms Demand Action” t-shirt spotted me and the sidearm on my hip and immediately started ranting about how I was dangerous and scary, that my big, bad SigSauer made her nervous, how did she know I wasn’t going to shoot everybody in the joint, etc.

She couldn't possibly be sincere. She was trying to exercise control. She "ranted" about how dangerous the OCer and his gun was and wasn't afraid of that confrontation, but was afraid of walking past (not confronting) a thug outside of the store, with no obvious weapon? Doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[KLB]

From the article:


She couldn't possibly be sincere. She was trying to exercise control. She "ranted" about how dangerous the OCer and his gun was and wasn't afraid of that confrontation, but was afraid of walking past (not confronting) a thug outside of the store, with no obvious weapon? Doesn't pass the smell test.

Why do you think that she could not be sincere? There is a world of difference between confronting a peaceful person carrying a holstered gun and someone that is belligerent and aggressive.

 

[pudly]

Why do you think that she could not be sincere? There is a world of difference between confronting a peaceful person carrying a holstered gun and someone that is belligerent and aggressive.

Peaceful? Didn't you read her words? (I totally understand we are working from one person's description of the scene). She accused him of being dangerous. She said she was nervous around him. She said she was concerned that he would be shooting everyone. Her words don't match her dealing with someone she believed was peaceful. Who would actually make those kinds of statements to someone they thought was peaceful?

 

[miguel]

I opt to "be a dick".

I'm done trying to wins hearts and minds.

 

[pudly]

I opt to "be a dick".

I'm done trying to wins hearts and minds.

Don't give up on trying to win hearts and minds. Invite someone to the range. The dick would be the one ranting at you for the invite rather than accepting or politely saying no.

 

[miguel]

Don't give up on trying to win hearts and minds. Invite someone to the range. The dick would be the one ranting at you for the invite rather than accepting or politely saying no.

OK, I should correct myself, thanks for helping me see my oversight!

I am not done trying to win hearts and minds but I am done trying to convert people. If someone is on the fence, I'll continue to gently persuade them and offer them a range trip. If someone is hostile, but then wants to convert when their ass is on the line, I'm the wrong guy. I actually may be a dick, I fear.

 

[femurphy77]

Security; negative. Grave bodily harm; depends, can't armchair quarterback a scenario.

 

[Cameramonkey]

The title of the THR article is worded provocatively. "Question of the Day: Would You Provide Security for a ‘Disarmenter’ Who’d Mocked You?"

The woman didn't ask for someone to "provide security", she was uncomfortable and asked someone to walk her to her car. Politics and personal opinions aside, If someone is being sincere and honestly feels uncomfortable enough to ask, I have a hard time imagining a scenario where I would deny the request.

I respectfully disagree. What does Shannon Watts' armed SECURITY DETAIL do for her? They walk with her anywhere she wants to go in order to provide safe passage and SECURITY.

If that was Ms Watts in the store with you instead of her minion, she would have had her detail walk her to the car just like this minion asked for this gentleman to do.

So yes, she DID ask for someone to provide security even if not calling it that by name.

She wanted to feel secure walking to her car knowing she had an armed escort that would presumably protect her just like her "boss" has. Had she said "can you stand here and watch and make sure I make it to the car?" then that would not have been asking for security.

The hypocricy of these idiots is astounding.

 

[worddoer]

I am not done trying to win hearts and minds but I am done trying to convert people. If someone is on the fence, I'll continue to gently persuade them and offer them a range trip. If someone is hostile, but then wants to convert when their ass is on the line, I'm the wrong guy.

This^^^^^

I am so done with trying to convert those who are hostile. They have already made up their minds based on lies and emotions instead of facts. And they have no intentions to learn or desire for the truth. I believe I would have said something to the effect of "I'm sorry, I can't help you since I have this big scary gun on me. I'm concerned you might not recover from the trauma my assistance may inflict."

I also agree regarding those on the fence. And I have encountered many of these people. I enjoy spending time with them discussing the facts, the truth, and how this world really works...not the utopian vision that people delude themselves into believing. If someone is willing to at least listen to the facts and truth, even if they don't agree, then I enjoy having a logical adult conversation with them. Those who only wish to push their opinion on me...I look at them as 3 year olds who throws a temper tantrum. Nothing but a frustrating annoyance.

 

[2A_Tom]

Ma'am, you've made your bed...