Purdue University - carrying a gun on campus - OPEN FORUM

[Kirk Freeman]

I don't think every student should be allowed to carry, most of them aren't even old enough.

With respect, SSG, (and thank you for your service), I believe most students at Purdue are 18 or over. (Yes, I do know that some freshmen are only 17 but the vast majority are old enough to carry).

I agree with what you posted but I believe the University is covering its potential legal liabilities (at least what I gather from speaking with Purdue's general counsel). I believe part of the solution is to have the General Assembly extend legal civil immunity to the university for cases involving self-defense.

 

[critter592]

Kirk I think he might be confused with the law that you must be 21 to buy a handgun from a FFL. But an 18 yo can have a LTCH and make a private purchase or be gifted a handgun. Right?

 

[IndyGunner]

Your parent or guardian can give you a handgun until you turn 21 (if you are 18+). Until then they are responsible for it under your possession.

However, buying a handgun for someone (like if your 21 year old friend got one for you) is called a "straw purchase" and is a felony.


When I turn 21 april 17th im just going to write out a receipt saying "I ed buy serial # model# glock 19 from name date time" then sign it with both our names. Technically though, I own the gun. You dont HAVE to do this, but id like to remove any liability that hangs over my fathers head.

 

[rimfire_crazed]

Ed, you're confused on a lot of issues here unrelated to this thread. Your parents bear no responsibility for your firearm in the 18-21 yr window. If a friend over 21 purchases a handgun and then sells it to you, a proper person, he has committed no crime. Your father has no legal liability whatsoever for the handgun you currently, legally possess.

 

[IndyGunner]

Ed, you're confused on a lot of issues here unrelated to this thread. Your parents bear no responsibility for your firearm in the 18-21 yr window. If a friend over 21 purchases a handgun and then sells it to you, a proper person, he has committed no crime. Your father has no legal liability whatsoever for the handgun you currently, legally possess.

Im sorry I guess I was misinformed. Here is what I read...

Q.I am 18 years old and have a handgun carry permit, how can I get a gun to carry before I turn 21?
A.If you are over 18 but not yet 21 years old, you cannot purchase a handgun. However, your parent or legal guardian can purchase one and give it to you to carry legally with a permit. The parent or guardian is responsible for the gun until you turn 21.

A straw purchase is any purchase whereby the purchaser is knowingly acquiring an item or service for someone who is, for whatever reason, unable to purchase the item or service themselves. This term can be applied to any such purchase, but it is most widely used in relation to the sale of fire arms, especially in United States federal gun laws. In the context of United States federal gun laws, a straw purchase is defined as any purchase from a dealer holding a Federal Firearms License where the buyer conducting the transaction is acting as a proxy for another person. The law does not distinguish between someone who is purchasing on behalf of a person who legally cannot purchase or possess a firearm, and one who is not. In the United States, straw purchases are a felony violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 for both the straw purchaser (who can also be charged with lying on Federal Form 4473) and the ultimate possessor. One of the questions on form 4473 is “I am the buyer of this firearm” and the purchaser must answer honestly yes or no, by checking the appropriate box in ink. However, purchase of a firearm as a bona fide gift for someone who can legally own such a firearm is permitted.

So... if you cant personally buy a handgun unless you are 21+ and your parent/guardian have to buy it for you, then wouldnt your friend buying it for you be illegal? (obviously you can sell guns to people and gift them, thats not what im talking about here)


Im not saying youre wrong, just confused.



Thanks!

 

[rimfire_crazed]

What is the source of the above quote?

 

[Clay]

To buy a handgun from a dealer you must be 21 or older.

To buy a handgun from an individual you must be 18 or older.

end of story.

 

[IndyGunner]

What is the source of the above quote?

First is from H+Hs website (gunstore). The second is from wikipedia. Neither of the two should be considered law by any means. Im just saying thats what I was told. I thought it was a lot more complicated than "21 to buy a handgun from a dealer, 18 to buy a handgun from a private sale".

h+h: Home

wiki: Straw purchase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


also sorry for the hijack!!!!!!!!


to the topic at hand: im trying to get people together at BSU to talk to our school board/president. I have emailed mitch daniels as well. I doubt I will make much progress though. still going to try!

 

[rimfire_crazed]

First is from H+Hs website (gunstore). The second is from wikipedia. Neither of the two should be considered law by any means. Im just saying thats what I was told. I thought it was a lot more complicated than "21 to buy a handgun, 18 to buy a long gun".

In Indiana, you can purchase a handgun from any private party at the age of 18. Buying from an FFL requires the purchaser to be 21 because that's what the federal law requires.

I'm not saying you should accompany someone to a gunshop and have them purchase a firearm with cash you've just handed them. I'm saying it is perfectly legit for a person to buy a firearm via an FFL and then decide they want to sell it - and then sell it to you or any other proper person.

H&H is just plain wrong - at least in the state of Indiana. I've heard that in Illinois, you must have your parents consent to possess a FOID and any associated firearms - and that may have some bearing on this conversation - but again - we're in Indiana, not Illinois.

 

[IndyGunner]

In Indiana, you can purchase a handgun from any private party at the age of 18. Buying from an FFL requires the purchaser to be 21 because that's what the federal law requires.

I'm not saying you should accompany someone to a gunshop and have them purchase a firearm with cash you've just handed them. I'm saying it is perfectly legit for a person to buy a firearm via an FFL and then decide they want to sell it - and then sell it to you or any other proper person.

H&H is just plain wrong - at least in the state of Indiana. I've heard that in Illinois, you must have your parents consent to possess a FOID and any associated firearms - and that may have some bearing on this conversation - but again - we're in Indiana, not Illinois.

Thats what I figured too, but I havent had this conversation with anyone yet so... you learn somethin new every day! Thanks for the info buddy I appreciate it.

 

[sj kahr k40]

I just looked at H&H website, I wouldn't trust anything on there, most of it's wrong, chech the FAQ on INGO, much better info.

I'm all for carry on campus

 

[AJMD429]

Campus cop cheif says it would 'confuse' officers if law-abiding people were armed...
If the campus cops' attitude is that they are to show up at a 'scene', and just start killing whoever appears 'threatening' and might have a gun - maybe it is the COPS we shouldn't trust to have guns...!

I do agree 'guns and booze' shouldn't mix, just like 'cars and booze' or even 'stupid people and booze', but the reality is that those licensed for CCW tend to be people who don't act irresponsibly and drink then start waving a gun around. I'd be willing to bet that a higher percentage of police officers do that than the percentage of CCW-holders who would do that.

They always want to talk about all the bad things that 'could' happen if students had firearms, so if the university wants to disarm an otherwise-law-abiding citizen, merely because he/she happens to be a student there, then the university should be held liable for the cost of that life if ANY assault happens that 'could' have been stopped with a gun.

Students (especially if drinking) have been known to injure others with fire-extinguishers, and I'm sure if you looked long enough, you'd find someone killed with one, but just imagine. . . suppose a university was so afraid of that possibility that they prohibited fire-extinguishers on campus, and suppose a few weeks later the largest fire ever struck a dormitory and burned up and killed a bunch of kids. THAT is essentially what happened at Virginia Tech, only switch the word 'guns' for 'fire extinguishers'. Afterwards, the Virginia Tech administrators had the GALL to brag that their policy "made people feel safer"... Can you imagine the same scenario had it been fire extinguishers? The whole citizenry would likely have swarmed the campus and physically thrown the trustees out of office had they made such a comment after making such a ridiculous decision.

There are differences between guns and fire-extinguishers, but largely they are matters of degree. Far fewer people are injured by fire-extinguishers, than by firearms, but I'm sure that far fewer lives are saved by them, than by firearms.

I went to college back in the days before metal-detectors, so seldom was without a handgun, as I worked part-time after class in pharmacies, often in bad neighborhoods, and once I became a pharmacist, I'd have to work overnight-shifts in them, as I paid my way through medical school. Like many of the 'real' doctors I met then at hospitals in Terre Haute and Indianapolis, I was seldom unarmed, though the candy-ass hospital administrators likely would have had a cow if they'd known how many docs and nurses were armed at any given time. I approached one of the hospital attorneys about removing the ban on CCW, which wound up making many of the nurses I'd met have to choose between unsafe carry/storage vs. getting 'caught', and she blew me off, saying the hospital was not that dangerous (it's not AT the hospital that is usually the problem, it's from the parking-lot all the way home and back), and the doctors and nurses and other employees just didn't need guns. When I pointed out that SHE carried, she indicated that as an attorney, she was under 'more danger' (the ones who love rules always seem to exempt themselves because they are 'special'...). She told me that she "just ignored hospital policy", because she didn't think it should apply to her. Fine for her special little hinie, but what about the dog-tired CCU-nurse getting off a 14-hour shift and having to drive home at 3 a.m. alone...? What about the kitchen staff who has to ride the last bus home to a ghetto apartment...? I guess the LibTards give the 'common working people' lip service, but don't actually care about them.

Not too much different when it comes to college administrators and students, it seems...

 

[IndyGunner]

maybe it is the COPS we shouldn't trust to have guns...!

You mean like this one... [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAgQKJuriIo[/ame]

Im not saying the protestors were innocent, they deserve to be punished for their childish actions... but it didnt require what this cop did.

 

[ocsdor]

Here is an e-mail I sent to my mother when she got her LTCH. I think it would do some of you guys good to read it as well.

Read all of these carefully and thoroughly. The police rarely (read that as never) give warnings when a firearm law is broken. You are responsible for knowing them.

Go to this link to read all the firearms laws:
Indiana Code TITLE 35, Article 47 Table of Contents

Possession of Firearms and Ammunition in Locked Vehicles
Indiana Code 34-28-7

This one covers murder and manslaughter, read those two topics:
Indiana Code 35-42-1

Read this section until you finished Provocation:
Indiana Code 35-42-2

Read the section about intimidation:
Indiana Code 35-45-2

Use of force to protect person or property
Read this one, understand it completely, and memorize it as much as possible. This section is imperative in knowing, and decides whether you commit self defense, intimidation with a deadly weapon, or homicide:
Indiana Code 35-41-3

Every law you read relating to a deadly weapon applies to you when that weapon is on your person/in your possession.
==============================================
Here is an excerpt from Indiana Gun Owners Forum:

Memorize this List:
Where can I not carry a firearm in Indiana?

IC 34-28-7 states that a firearm cannot be carried:
- In or on school property [1]
- On a school bus
- Commercial/charter aircraft
- Controlled access area of airport
- During annual State Fair
- Shipping ports
- A riverboat casino
- Indiana Government Center “campus” per 25 IAS 8-3-1
- Court houses per court orders not IC
- Penal Facilities (ie. Jails) per IC 35-44-3-9
- Federal facilities (ie. Post office) per FED LAW

[1] IC 35-47-9-1 allows one to carry a firearm while in a vehicle that is transporting a person to/from school. You must remain in the vehicle. School = K-12 private/public

Can I carry my handgun inside my car visibly?

Yes, Indiana Code is silent on this issue. You carry your handgun on you, in plain view or concealed in your car if you have a license.

If no license, then the handgun must be unloaded, not readily accessible and in a secure case. (IC 35-47-2-1)

This link has some good info too:
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...discussion/16185-ingunowners_faqs_sticky.html

 

[mk2ja]

The Exponent - Purdue's Student Newspaper




I will not be able to be in attendance due to a test, any other boilers, americans or lafayette residents please show up!


6pm tonight in Beering Room 2291

O. M. G. This thread is for an open forum that happened a year and a half ago!
03-09-2010, 6:00 p.m.

 

[midget]

The board voted last night and turned it down, 7-15

 

[indykid]

Yep, old thread, but updated last night when the majority decided that beer and firearms don't mix on a college campus making Purdue another criminal protected zone.

 

[critter592]

Maybe they should stop encouraging alchoholism and drinking to excess. Maybe they should encourage self responsibility.

 

[BLA]

Well a guy I know went to the vote and Virginia tech got brought up as why guns should not be allowed... apparently people believe that LTCHs get passed out to anyone. Oh and I believe it didnt pass