Purdue University - carrying a gun on campus - OPEN FORUM

[revance]

You expected him to embrace it with open arms? The only way you're going to get LEO support is if your desired outcome is LEGISLATED and they have no choice other than to allow it. Even then, you'll still have resistance (St. John, anyone?)

I am proud to say that my Sheriff (Ken Campbell) is a die hard supporter of citizen's right to carry. In fact I believe he was quoted after the VT shooting saying something along the lines of "the only thing that could have stopped this was one armed citizen".

 

[rimfire_crazed]

I am proud to say that my Sheriff (Ken Campbell) is a die hard supporter of citizen's right to carry. In fact I believe he was quoted after the VT shooting saying something along the lines of "the only thing that could have stopped this was one armed citizen".

I've heard great things about Ken Campbell and I've heard he does great training, too.

Unfortunately, I've also heard that while he is powerless to stop it, he strongly dislikes open carry and his requested that his students conceal in Boone County.

I don't have the threads handy right now but it was discussed on INGO.

 

[revance]

Yeah, he definitely prefers concealed. Mostly from a tactical advantage standpoint, but I imagine being on the receiving end of GWG calls probably doesn't help.

As long as he accepts that he can't MAKE people do it, I have no problems with him having an opinion. Especially when you consider that he is probably the most pro 2a LEO in the state.

 

[Tomcat_AL200]

People can CC on campus, its perfectly legal, just against Purdue rules for students (me), employees (me), and instructors (also me). They trust me to teach another human being i a $350,000 aircraft, fly a $1.2 corporate turboprop, but I can't exercise my legal right when locking up Hanger 6 at 0100. Ah, fun bull****.

 

[critter592]

link to the rule against drinking and carrying?

Ah hah! I mixed two thoughts in one statement. No, no rule on drinking and carrying. Rule is about carrying on campus which is not law but does restrict people's actions. The drinking part was to imply that he may not have all his faculties when making decisions.

 

[Hammerhead]

Where Else isn't on campus. It's very near campus, but the Village isn't considered campus. He may not have been going back onto campus after being at the bar. Stupidity isn't a crime.

 

[wolfts01]

I go to IPFW and they have a similar policy against weapons. I've been putting off getting a gun and license partially due to the fear that I would be forced to leave my gun at home. I'm just glad with the new law that I will be able to just lock it up in the glove box (when I get it).

Anyone else here attend IPFW? I was thinking about doing that empty holster thing, but if I'm the only one on campus I think it could end up doing more harm than good. The only good thing about this dumb regulation is that I always have a subject to write about in gen ed classes.

 

[ocsdor]

They trust me to teach another human being in a $350,000 aircraft, fly a $1.2 corporate turboprop, but I can't exercise my legal right when locking up Hanger 6 at 0100.

So, the best time to steal a King Air is 1am, from the unarmed pilot. Good to know. jk

 

[Indy317]

I go to IPFW and they have a similar policy against weapons. I've been putting off getting a gun and license partially due to the fear that I would be forced to leave my gun at home. I'm just glad with the new law that I will be able to just lock it up in the glove box (when I get it).

The new law applies to employees only that I know of, so you could still get in trouble as a student. Also, even if you are an employee of IPFW, the universities got the state to make them one of the exempted institutions. Folks should remember that when the universities start making the case to get more of your money.

 

[Hammerhead]

I carried on PU campus this weekend. I honored my wife's wishes and left it in the car during the graduation ceremony in Elliot, but I easily could have carried as the security was a cursory bag check for something, I wasn't sure.

Then again, I'm not a student and my camera and camera bag distracts from the fact that I carry.

 

[wolfts01]

The new law applies to employees only that I know of, so you could still get in trouble as a student. Also, even if you are an employee of IPFW, the universities got the state to make them one of the exempted institutions. Folks should remember that when the universities start making the case to get more of your money.

Thanks for the correction. I was thinking about this today at work and I was like "I had absolutely no idea what I was talking about when I posted that." I even remembered the thing exempting universities. I attribute it to a lack of sleep from gun research
Doesn't stop me from being disappointed...

In my two and a half years there I have rarely seen the campus police other than when they drive around the lots after dark. With how open the campus is I seriously doubt their ability to respond to an emergency. Hell, there was a battery on campus just the other day.

I'm lucky in that they pay for my classes (so long as I keep my GPA up). Carrying is not so important to me as to lose that over violating a policy I don't agree with. I wonder if every pro-carry student would request an armed security escort to and from every class if they would change their minds.
We would only need 15 "scared" students to occupy all of their officers.

The good news is that there are no length regulations for knives in IN, so I could always carry a large machete for brush clearing purposes of course...


BTW, I tried to watch their video on what to do in a shots fired situation, but couldn't stomach more than two minutes of the bull**** about the "survivor mentality". I'm not about to watch a video telling me to run away like a coward to be shot in the back.

 

[Tomcat_AL200]

True, but keep in mind that I believe that "it is better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6" it lightens their load

 

[SheriffMedic95]

If someone is going to misuse a firearm on a campus, prohibiting will not make a difference...they are still going to do it! However, I am in strong favor of mandatory firearm education and safety classes/training for anyone wanting to conceal carry!

 

[Indy317]

I wonder if every pro-carry student would request an armed security escort to and from every class if they would change their minds.

I'm not about to watch a video telling me to run away like a coward to be shot in the back.

First off, if every student who wanted to carry, but couldn't started requesting safety escorts, it would definitely get a discussion started. Unfortunately, this action at some universities and colleges would result in police complaints. You can be assured that some officers, who are sitting around doing nothing, will likely be upset you ruined their day or night with a request for service they may see as silly. A few complaints will clear that up, and get a discussion going.

As long as folks aren't calling every hour for armed safety escorts, the universities aren't going to change their policies.

Second, while the videos are silly, running away isn't cowardly at all. There is nothing cowardly about surviving, and running away, or to cover, gives a person a much better chance at survival. Not many people could shoot a moving target anyways, so while someone may shoot towards your direction, the chances of them actually shooting you would be very small, and the further away you are, the less likely you are to be shot.

 

[wolfts01]

While part of me knows that it is wiser to run away, part of me would not be able to live with the idea that I could have done something to stop or stall the BG. I've read that there was one student at VT who charged the shooter. He was gunned down, but who knows how many live today because he gave them those few seconds?

Granted I wouldn't blindly run into gunfire, but just attempt to do something.

I find the YouTube video by nutnfancy called "The Sheepdog Concept" to describe my views very well.

 

[Jeremiah]

First off, if every student who wanted to carry, but couldn't started requesting safety escorts, it would definitely get a discussion started. Unfortunately, this action at some universities and colleges would result in police complaints. You can be assured that some officers, who are sitting around doing nothing, will likely be upset you ruined their day or night with a request for service they may see as silly. A few complaints will clear that up, and get a discussion going.

As long as folks aren't calling every hour for armed safety escorts, the universities aren't going to change their policies.

Second, while the videos are silly, running away isn't cowardly at all. There is nothing cowardly about surviving, and running away, or to cover, gives a person a much better chance at survival. Not many people could shoot a moving target anyways, so while someone may shoot towards your direction, the chances of them actually shooting you would be very small, and the further away you are, the less likely you are to be shot.

Sir, you are on to something.
1. Get in with a sorority
2.take them shooting.
3. get them interested in carrying
4 inform them they can't because of a school policy
5. get them to request armed saftey escorts between every class
6. profit???????

 

[Takashi]

Sir, you are on to something.
1. Get in with a sorority
2.take them shooting.
3. get them interested in carrying
4 inform them they can't because of a school policy
5. get them to request armed saftey escorts between every class
6. profit???????

I could probably convince a few sororities. I'm liking this idea of asking for an excess of escorts. So where is it exactly, specifically stated about carry rules on campus? I know I've heard it from multiple sources and know it is true, but where does it specifically state that?

 

[Hammerhead]

Legally, you can carry on campus. As a student, there may be rules in the student handbook about carrying. The dorms don't allow weapons, not even for those in shooting sports (I believe you must have a locker at the Co-Rec and keep it there). As a faculty, they can fire you/release you for violating the terms of employment.

As a citizen, I can walk around all day legally armed. I'm not encumbered by student rules or faculty policies.

 

[Airborne33]

I don't like how colleges pretend that what happens on campus is completely under their control. They allow freedom of speech and religion, but not the 2nd amendment. I don't think every student should be allowed to carry, most of them aren't even old enough. The ones that are old enough, however should be allowed to. I don't think this should be an issue up for discussion, college must know that they can not guarantee the safety of any individual on their campus. Just like they can not control underage drinking, rape, and other illegal activities. The difference between those, and concealed carry, is that concealed carry isn't against the law.

I don't like the idiotic idea that people who carry guns are criminals waiting to happen. If that were the case, then every cop would be a criminal. If someone wants to bring a gun on campus, they have no power or way of stopping them. The University is a weak organization in this way. Malls have better security. The past shows us time and time again, that violent crime will happen against students, and school policy almost always dictates that no one will be allowed the peace of mind of legally concealed carry on campus. It could very well save lives, although it shouldn't be up to the school to decide what is dangerous, because, guns aren't the root of violence. People are.

 

[Tomcat_AL200]

Bravo Zulu Airorne33