Question: Why Would You Carry At Church??

[Roadie]

Not saying it's probable, but during a period when the average deadly crime rate has been dropping, the rate of incidents at faith based organizations actually multiplied.

Knowing which targets are becoming more favorable gives one the opportunity to either avoid such targets or maintain extra vigilance when one attends.

It certainly discredits the notion that these places are "safe" or even proportionately as safe as they were once widely considered.

Exactly. I think we tend to assume that criminals are stupid. Many are, but many are smart enough to know where they have a tactical advantage.

 

[Hayseed_40]

Exactly. I think we tend to assume that criminals are stupid. Many are, but many are smart enough to know where they have a tactical advantage.

Exactly times two. Most criminals are stupid by most of our standards (i.e. making change from $1.02, knowing their name, etc) but they are very smart and clever in the ways of their trade. That includes knowing where the weapon is, knowing the esay targets, knowing the threats, etc.

 

[Roadie]

Exactly times two. Most criminals are stupid by most of our standards (i.e. making change from $1.02, knowing their name, etc) but they are very smart and clever in the ways of their trade. That includes knowing where the weapon is, knowing the esay targets, knowing the threats, etc.

Agreed wholeheartedly.
This is where the "sheeple" don't understand why many of us carry EVERYWHERE. They think was can choose when/where to carry because some areas are "safe".. we realize that NOWHERE is 100% safe.

 

[tmf]

I recently moved to Richmond, IN from Virginia and I'm an ordained minister. In my church in Virginia I carried every time I set foot on the grounds (or anywhere for that matter) and appreciated knowing that at least 7-10 people were carrying on a given Sunday morning.

 

[Hayseed_40]

Agreed wholeheartedly.
This is where the "sheeple" don't understand why many of us carry EVERYWHERE. They think was can choose when/where to carry because some areas are "safe".. we realize that NOWHERE is 100% safe.

I agree that you agree that I agree that you agree with ATM.

 

[Hayseed_40]

Read the article in the paper on the southside pastor (29yo) who now has a daughter who will grow up without her father. Absolutely unacceptable.

 

[EvilBlackGun]

At my church ...

... a rector (that's only a "partial erection") saw me give our city chief of police a Glock to have different sights installed. Rector went all tattle-tale to the pastor, complaining. He was told that 1st and 2d amendments of the Constitution were involved, therefor no problem was involved. Rector complains more, wanting to know, "What are MY rights?" Pastor says, "You have the right to complain." We have four LEOs in our church.

 

[EvilBlackGun]

Jesus actually ...

... told His followers THEN, that it was time THEN to sell their clothes if necessary, go buy a weapon. No different now. I believe that He was telling His followers to TAKE measures to defend themselves. I'm with you, all the way. He also said that anyone who did not provide for his family was to be considered to be worse than the infidel. EBG

A lot of people don't realize that Jesus said there would come a time when you would have to sell what you've got and buy a sword (modern term: firearm) Luke 22:36. I would do it without hesitation in Church if necessary.

 

[EvilBlackGun]

Do you have any small children?

If it were your child It would only take ONE amber alert to ruin your day. We practice more security with library books ! ! ! Many Ex-s know the church where the former spouse attends; get it?

Really? They have a problem with child abductions or disappearances? There was no explanation, just a "come talk to us about it later." I'm personally glad I do not attend that church, and I wouldn't/won't go back voluntarily.

I was glad I was armed. Even here at home, I don't attend church that often, but I'm always armed at those that I can legally carry.[/QUOTE]

 

[Expat]

There are a lot of evil people in the world that would love to kill some Christians. Unfortunately one doesn't know when that is going to happen or where. This is evidenced by the many shootings we have seen in recent years and also by the many church burnings. I think it is just going to get worse.

 

[Roadie]

... told His followers THEN, that it was time THEN to sell their clothes if necessary, go buy a weapon. No different now. I believe that He was telling His followers to TAKE measures to defend themselves. I'm with you, all the way. He also said that anyone who did not provide for his family was to be considered to be worse than the infidel. EBG

As much as I would LOVE to discuss this part of the issue, this is what got the thread closed last time....

 

[24Carat]

Better question is why wouldn't you carry at Church?!

^^^ What jeremy said ^^^

 

[Hayseed_40]

^^^ What jeremy said ^^^

Please do not agree with Jeremy - it just encourages him to post more.

 

[jeremy]

Please do not agree with Jeremy - it just encourages him to post more.

Did I hear someone call my name...

 

[wrigleycub]

Because of people like the one in the story!!

^^^^^^^^^this

 

[Hammerhead]

If it were your child It would only take ONE amber alert to ruin your day. We practice more security with library books ! ! ! Many Ex-s know the church where the former spouse attends; get it?

Really? They have a problem with child abductions or disappearances? There was no explanation, just a "come talk to us about it later." I'm personally glad I do not attend that church, and I wouldn't/won't go back voluntarily.

I was glad I was armed. Even here at home, I don't attend church that often, but I'm always armed at those that I can legally carry.

I'm guessing you're trying to talk to me after I deciphered your broken quote. Yes, I understand that there are reasons for taking security measures. I have never attended a church that 1) announced their measures in the manner that this church did and 2) didn't have such a close knit church community that even if they needed such security measures, everyone knows everyone else's business and security is people being really nosy.

The church that I attend on any sort of regularity (not very often, but still) is a place that I carry my sidearm every time I go for any event.

My concern with the church in MO took into account the location and size of the church. I don't fault them if they want those types of security measures in place, I just don't agree with them and I won't attend again. The service and sermon also were a bit of a buzzkill and factor into my choice not to darken their door.

 

[Hayseed_40]

Did I hear someone call my name...

No, just go back to sleep.

 

[jeremy]

No, just go back to sleep.

To late...

You invoked my name...
Now you have to deal with the consequences...

 

[Hayseed_40]

I have attended all sizes of churches and locations. None of them warranted a "no carry zone".

The pastor in the "Patriot" said "a pastor must tend his flock and at times fight off the wolves". I think Christians who do not agree with self defense are missing a true character of God - Justice.

 

[CPT Nervous]

I always OC in church. No one has said a word about it. When we were "shopping around" for a church, no one said anything to me either. Everyone is super friendly, and the side arm is noticed, but unmentioned. Imagine that! Parents trust a MWAG around their children. Bloomberg would be furious!