Republican Leadership Kills Constitutional Carry Again in 2018

[ATM]

...Anyway, I'm not sure I'd support constitutional carry, I inow this is quite "elitist" of me....but I went through the process and forked over the cash, the rest should have to as well. It's not that I don't support the second amendment, it's that I like knowing you have to at least get looked at to carry a gun legally here...

Even if you truly do "like" the principle of infringing upon the right of the people to keep and bear arms, "support(ing) the second amendment" means supporting a repeal of the prohibition on handgun carry in Indiana.

There isn't really a way around this, regardless of the infringements you've personally endured or any legal exceptions you've already purchased.

 

[IndyDave1776]

100% of Indiana politics comes down to what Brian Bosma personally wants. If he doesn't like it, you don't get it.

Give the bastard a Democrat majority next election and he may start caring.

 

[GlockRiver]

State congress made sure to allow legislators and staff the ability to carry on Capitol grounds, however left the rest of the state employees to depend on the Capitol police. They look out for themselves very well.

Anyway, I'm not sure I'd support constitutional carry, I inow this is quite "elitist" of me....but I went through the process and forked over the cash, the rest should have to as well. It's not that I don't support the second amendment, it's that I like knowing you have to at least get looked at to carry a gun legally here. I could see making the fees lower to make the license more accessible to people who would struggle to get $150 together for the lifetime, but at the same time firearms aren't cheap so if you're buying guns you can likely afford the one time fees for a license. I see both sides, and other points of view. I'm glad we get to talk about this instead of wondering if the government is going to totally ban all guns, so it's really a good problem to have...license or no license.

Totally agree. I don't just want ANYONE to carry a gun. Ownership sure... carrying it around... no. Seriously people, take a look at some of the real "winners" running around society these days.
The police have a valid concern about this and I support them 100%.

 

[CraigAPS]

Totally agree. I don't just want ANYONE to carry a gun. Ownership sure... carrying it around... no. Seriously people, take a look at some of the real "winners" running around society these days.
The police have a valid concern about this and I support them 100%.

Isn't that kind of the reason behind the Constitution? The fact ANYONE and everyone has these "unalienable" rights, which includes the right to "keep and bear​ arms"! The fact that some people came from a shallower genepool, let's say, doesn't negate his/her rights.

 

[IndyDave1776]

State congress made sure to allow legislators and staff the ability to carry on Capitol grounds, however left the rest of the state employees to depend on the Capitol police. They look out for themselves very well.

Anyway, I'm not sure I'd support constitutional carry, I inow this is quite "elitist" of me....but I went through the process and forked over the cash, the rest should have to as well. It's not that I don't support the second amendment, it's that I like knowing you have to at least get looked at to carry a gun legally here. I could see making the fees lower to make the license more accessible to people who would struggle to get $150 together for the lifetime, but at the same time firearms aren't cheap so if you're buying guns you can likely afford the one time fees for a license. I see both sides, and other points of view. I'm glad we get to talk about this instead of wondering if the government is going to totally ban all guns, so it's really a good problem to have...license or no license.

Totally agree. I don't just want ANYONE to carry a gun. Ownership sure... carrying it around... no. Seriously people, take a look at some of the real "winners" running around society these days.
The police have a valid concern about this and I support them 100%.

OK, since you two obviously don't have much regard for the Constitution, why not tell us what other rights you are willing to have truncated or ignored. Should you be required to buy a license to speak outside of your home? What about a poll tax? How about having to pay the police a couple hundred dollars to go get a warrant before searching your home?

You are both sorry, sorry excuses for gun owners.

 

[ATM]

Totally agree. I don't just want ANYONE to carry a gun. Ownership sure... carrying it around... no. Seriously people, take a look at some of the real "winners" running around society these days.
The police have a valid concern about this and I support them 100%.

So you support the right to keep arms but not the right to bear arms.

50% support for the 2A and 100% support for police. Interesting.

 

[HubertGummer]

Totally agree. I don't just want ANYONE to carry a gun. Ownership sure... carrying it around... no. Seriously people, take a look at some of the real "winners" running around society these days.
The police have a valid concern about this and I support them 100%.

No. I need the right to carry my gun for defense from the people who should not carry them and don't follow the laws anyways.

 

[bwframe]

We need a state lobby organization that resembles what the NRA does on a federal level.

 

[OVERTHEHILLGUY]

Talk all you want, voters have a very-very short memory.
Just like cold beer on Sundays, follow the MONEY trail.
JT

 

[GIJEW]

At the risk of letting the democ....socialists get in office, what about the idea of getting gun owners to publically and noisily vote 'libertarian' in the next election? maybe the RINO posers might reconsider

 

[d.kaufman]

Totally agree. I don't just want ANYONE to carry a gun. Ownership sure... carrying it around... no. Seriously people, take a look at some of the real "winners" running around society these days.
The police have a valid concern about this and I support them 100%.

Wow! Just, wow! Im glad you've only had 83 posts in 10 years!

 

[Ark]

Give the bastard a Democrat majority next election and he may start caring.

Well, he wouldn't be Speaker any more, so...but yeah that's probably not going to happen in Indiana.

Somewhere along the line we allowed our state government to be set up so that A. The Speaker pretty much singlehandedly sets the agenda in the legislature and can block anything he wishes, B. The governor's veto can be overridden with a simple majority so there's no real political power there, and C. Indiana has no function for direct democracy. There is literally nothing that can override the Speaker's agenda except replacing him with another Speaker. That either requires him to die/retire, a turnover to the other party (which won't happen), or some kind of internal coup in the Republican party that gets him kicked out as Speaker.

 

[cbhausen]

Totally agree. I don't just want ANYONE to carry a gun. Ownership sure... carrying it around... no. Seriously people, take a look at some of the real "winners" running around society these days.
The police have a valid concern about this and I support them 100%.

Sickeningly, disgustingly ELITIST... sleep well.

And stay angry, my friends. Cultivate the anger, nurture it, grow it... then use it as a call to action when we develop a plan to hold those who infringe on our State and Federal Constitutional right to keep and bear arms responsible for their actions (or inactions).

 

[brotherbill3]

State congress made sure to allow legislators and staff the ability to carry on Capitol grounds, however left the rest of the state employees to depend on the Capitol police. They look out for themselves very well.

Anyway, I'm not sure I'd support constitutional carry, I inow this is quite "elitist" of me....but I went through the process and forked over the cash, the rest should have to as well. It's not that I don't support the second amendment, it's that I like knowing you have to at least get looked at to carry a gun legally here. I could see making the fees lower to make the license more accessible to people who would struggle to get $150 together for the lifetime, but at the same time firearms aren't cheap so if you're buying guns you can likely afford the one time fees for a license. I see both sides, and other points of view. I'm glad we get to talk about this instead of wondering if the government is going to totally ban all guns, so it's really a good problem to have...license or no license.

Totally agree. I don't just want ANYONE to carry a gun. Ownership sure... carrying it around... no. Seriously people, take a look at some of the real "winners" running around society these days.
The police have a valid concern about this and I support them 100%.

And in addition to not really supporting the 2nd amendment, you do not like the Indiana Constitution Article 1, Section 32. And to top that off you do not have appeared to have listened to the facts from the many hearings and summer study. Facts that show all the police concerns do not have basis in reality.

And the fees and process are a burden for many. And that makes it an unconstitutional poll tax on someone's rights.

 

[Trigger Time]

State congress made sure to allow legislators and staff the ability to carry on Capitol grounds, however left the rest of the state employees to depend on the Capitol police. They look out for themselves very well.

Anyway, I'm not sure I'd support constitutional carry, I inow this is quite "elitist" of me....but I went through the process and forked over the cash, the rest should have to as well. It's not that I don't support the second amendment, it's that I like knowing you have to at least get looked at to carry a gun legally here. I could see making the fees lower to make the license more accessible to people who would struggle to get $150 together for the lifetime, but at the same time firearms aren't cheap so if you're buying guns you can likely afford the one time fees for a license. I see both sides, and other points of view. I'm glad we get to talk about this instead of wondering if the government is going to totally ban all guns, so it's really a good problem to have...license or no license.

Totally agree. I don't just want ANYONE to carry a gun. Ownership sure... carrying it around... no. Seriously people, take a look at some of the real "winners" running around society these days.
The police have a valid concern about this and I support them 100%.

And you two are the kind of people we are fighting and you don't even realize how dumb your positions on this issue is. Note, I didn't call you dumb, I called your stance on an issue dumb.
Criminals who shouldn't have guns and who are already prohibited from carrying a gun by law, will do so anyways. They don't fear or obey the law because they are criminals. They carry anyways.
Does a murderer stop to think if murder is illegal or not before he kills his victim? No.
American citizens who have a clean criminal history or at least no disqualifying history will be issued a license to carry a handgun anyways. But they are.already guaranteed that right to BEAR ARMS (carry a gun) by the federal and Indiana State constitutions. The Indiana requirement to have an LTCH before you can legally carry a pistol IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL period. And I would LOVE to see it go to court by having the state sued over their illegal law because the Republican Leadership doesn't have the balls or moral fortitude to do the right thing by the supreme law they swore to protect and defend.
Cowards at best and traitors at worst.
Police have ZERO valid concern about constitutional carry and facts back that up. This is just brainwashing or programming of officers by upper management who tend to be gun grabbers. The people who always say "I support the second amendment ... BUT". Always the but. Anytime you hear someone say that yyou should tell them to Shut your damn mouths because they are full of **** and they want to support only their verrsion of what they believe the 2nd amendment should say.
Well the founders made it clear even for retards and people who couldn't even read or comprehend well. THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINDGED" And the Indiana State constitution makes it even more clear and a slam dunk.
Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns. Cops aren't around most of the time when you need them so the more citizens with guns the better. Because you can bet the ffarm that criminals have and carry them and will use them against anyone they deam weaker and easy prey. The state cannot legally license a constitutional right.
No one needs to know I carry a gun, not the police not the people at the store, no one. It's not their business. When I get pulled over and a police officer sees I have a legal gun on me most likely because he can see in his computer I have an LTCH, what bit of good did that do hijm? None because I'm not going to shoot at him, and he should already be assuming everyone has a gun anyways.
And no I will not and do not inform even if asked. I don't legaly have to. I'm more likely to accidently be shot by the police if they know or assume I have a gun.
Once the word GUN comes up it changes the dynamic with people who are scared little ******* or bullies who shouldn't be police officers anyways. Officers who are good and respect the constitution don't give a damn about good guys with guns.

Oh and just to put your scared minds at full overdrive and I hope you have nightmares with what I'm about to tell you,
I can LEGALLY carry any shotgun or rifle on me Anywhere in Indiana on public property without any license to carry. And there's not **** any cop can do about it.
Do I plan on it? No. But it's my right if I want to

 

[churchmouse]

And in addition to not really supporting the 2nd amendment, you do not like the Indiana Constitution Article 1, Section 32. And to top that off you do not have appeared to have listened to the facts from the many hearings and summer study. Facts that show all the police concerns do not have basis in reality.

And the fees and process are a burden for many. And that makes it an unconstitutional poll tax on someone's rights.

Good lord those 2 are the real enemy here.

 

[croy]

And you two are the kind of people we are fighting and you don't even realize how dumb your positions on this issue is. Note, I didn't call you dumb, I called your stance on an issue dumb.
Criminals who shouldn't have guns and who are already prohibited from carrying a gun by law, will do so anyways. They don't fear or obey the law because they are criminals. They carry anyways.
Does a murderer stop to think if murder is illegal or not before he kills his victim? No.
American citizens who have a clean criminal history or at least no disqualifying history will be issued a license to carry a handgun anyways. But they are.already guaranteed that right to BEAR ARMS (carry a gun) by the federal and Indiana State constitutions. The Indiana requirement to have an LTCH before you can legally carry a pistol IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL period. And I would LOVE to see it go to court by having the state sued over their illegal law because the Republican Leadership doesn't have the balls or moral fortitude to do the right thing by the supreme law they swore to protect and defend.
Cowards at best and traitors at worst.
Police have ZERO valid concern about constitutional carry and facts back that up. This is just brainwashing or programming of officers by upper management who tend to be gun grabbers. The people who always say "I support the second amendment ... BUT". Always the but. Anytime you hear someone say that yyou should tell them to Shut your damn mouths because they are full of **** and they want to support only their verrsion of what they believe the 2nd amendment should say.
Well the founders made it clear even for retards and people who couldn't even read or comprehend well. THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINDGED" And the Indiana State constitution makes it even more clear and a slam dunk.
Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns. Cops aren't around most of the time when you need them so the more citizens with guns the better. Because you can bet the ffarm that criminals have and carry them and will use them against anyone they deam weaker and easy prey. The state cannot legally license a constitutional right.
No one needs to know I carry a gun, not the police not the people at the store, no one. It's not their business. When I get pulled over and a police officer sees I have a legal gun on me most likely because he can see in his computer I have an LTCH, what bit of good did that do hijm? None because I'm not going to shoot at him, and he should already be assuming everyone has a gun anyways.
And no I will not and do not inform even if asked. I don't legaly have to. I'm more likely to accidently be shot by the police if they know or assume I have a gun.
Once the word GUN comes up it changes the dynamic with people who are scared little ******* or bullies who shouldn't be police officers anyways. Officers who are good and respect the constitution don't give a damn about good guys with guns.

Oh and just to put your scared minds at full overdrive and I hope you have nightmares with what I'm about to tell you,
I can LEGALLY carry any shotgun or rifle on me Anywhere in Indiana on public property without any license to carry. And there's not **** any cop can do about it.
Do I plan on it? No. But it's my right if I want to

There are no BUTS when it comes to the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Crusader17]

Oh my lord, looks like I've really done it.

Alright well this thread is the last time I contribute to the political forum.

None me of you have to believe me, I promise you I'm on your side.

Guess I'll just stick to contributing talking about new Colts and fun lighthearted stuff.

 

[Crusader17]

I'll add one more thing. My stance is not set in concrete, also I'll admit I haven't researched enough to really be making a statement so I guess I shouldn't have.

Also churchmouse, I'm not your enemy. I'm not the enemy of anyone on here, I don't know why one post of mine you make you assume I'm the enemy of anybody but I really resent that.

 

[2A_Tom]

NRA won't do anything. I put my money behind Gun Owners of America.

And.. Pray tell how many times did the GOA lawyer testify in the summer study?

You are welcome to put your money anywhere you want. Doesn't to me if you get a return on it or if your mattress burns with your house.

Not wishing you any bad events in case you took this the wrong way.