Southport Officer Shot

[halfmileharry]

I swore you didn't think that way before. Not sure why.... but this has been what I've been saying for a long time. I think the 3 strikes rule is perfectly valid here. Everyone makes a mistake and deserves a second chance. Second time..... ok, I get it, hard habits and all. Third time? You're not fixable. You don't even want to at that point. Goodbye.

Maybe we can take a chapter out of england's history. Go buy an island, stuff these ****s on it, make sure no one leaves and call it a day.

It's already been thought of....
"Escape from New York"

 

[bobzilla]

It's already been thought of....
"Escape from New York"

That was a movie.... and England did that with Australia. Why can't we just find some sorry piece of coral above the waterline and dump them off. No need to provide food, water, supplies, whatever. Then, the Navy can use that island for gun practice as needed. This solves two budgets in one fell swoop. Navy gets a gun range, we get rid of the lifers.

 

[bobzilla]

Was that Australia....???

Yeah, but England ****ed up and let normal people move there as well. We would need it to be smaller, less livable and not allow anyone to leave. Unless they bring us TimTams.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I swore you didn't think that way before. Not sure why.... but this has been what I've been saying for a long time. I think the 3 strikes rule is perfectly valid here. Everyone makes a mistake and deserves a second chance. Second time..... ok, I get it, hard habits and all. Third time? You're not fixable. You don't even want to at that point. Goodbye.

Maybe we can take a chapter out of england's history. Go buy an island, stuff these ****s on it, make sure no one leaves and call it a day.

Bro, before I was in LE, I was a probation officer.... in Marion County! I was ALL about revoking people as soon as they offended or violated. The courts would just keep sending them back, and thus making my job harder. I was so frustrated that I switched to a transfer-in (out of state) caseload. I loved cases from Texas and Arizona, because if the "client" messed up, those states would instantly revoke them, issue a warrant, and drag them back to the original jurisdiction to serve the rest of their time.

 

[T.Lex]

RIP to Lt. Allan.

It is human nature to fantasize about the appropriate, humiliating termination of the perpetrators' lives.

But, it is also important to recognize that we are a nation of laws. Laws that do not really allow for that. The prosecution of any death penalty in this case is now up to a political process. Prosecutor Curry, and Mayor Hogsett to a lesser extent, will be very uncomfortable.


@our IMPD INGOers, the online case management system indicates there's a Jason Brown who had a warrant for his arrest on a resisting law enforcement charge. (Some other relatively petty things appear, too.) That might explain shooter's reluctance to be taken into custody.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Yes, criminal executions is a deterrent. The executed criminal is deterred from committing anymore crime.

RIP to Lt. Allan.

It is human nature to fantasize about the appropriate, humiliating termination of the perpetrators' lives.

But, it is also important to recognize that we are a nation of laws. Laws that do not really allow for that. The prosecution of any death penalty in this case is now up to a political process. Prosecutor Curry, and Mayor Hogsett to a lesser extent, will be very uncomfortable.


@our IMPD INGOers, the online case management system indicates there's a Jason Brown who had a warrant for his arrest on a resisting law enforcement charge. (Some other relatively petty things appear, too.) That might explain shooter's reluctance to be taken into custody.

If it's the same Jason Brown, therein lies the problem. Why was he allowed to be out in the public in the first place?

Edit: DoggyMama's recently deceased (drug overdose) daughter had been arrested 15 times... OR'd or bonded out every time. Now she's dead. Can't help but think that if she'd spent the maximum allowable sentence for any or all of those charges, she might have "gotten it" and decided to clean up. But she didn't serve a lick of time. Now she's dead.

 

[T.Lex]

If it's the same Jason Brown, therein lies the problem. Why was he allowed to be out in the public in the first place?

Welcome to Marion County. It appears he pleaded guilty, was sentenced to probation, violated the probation (allegedly) and didn't show for a hearing, so a warrant (or body attachment) was issued.

Officers, here on INGO and in real life, have lamented the turnstiles that constitute the Marion County judicial system.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Welcome to Marion County. It appears he pleaded guilty, was sentenced to probation, violated the probation (allegedly) and didn't show for a hearing, so a warrant (or body attachment) was issued.

Officers, here on INGO and in real life, have lamented the turnstiles that constitute the Marion County judicial system.

And it won't change until the judges, prosecutors, parole boards or whomever is responsible for releasing these people are held PERSONALLY responsible for those they release (meaning they get the same sentence as the offenders if they screw up), it will continue. Might make them think long and hard about reduced sentences/early release/ bond decisions.

 

[phylodog]

But, it is also important to recognize that we are a nation of laws. Laws that do not really allow for that.

We used to be anyway. It used to be unlawful for men to shower in ladies locker rooms. Laws can be changed but apparently only if the changes favor the left.

 

[T.Lex]

And it won't change until the judges, prosecutors, parole boards or whomever is responsible for releasing these people are held PERSONALLY responsible for those they release (meaning they get the same sentence as the offenders if they screw up), it will continue. Might make them think long and hard about reduced sentences/early release/ bond decisions.

I understand the emotion. At many levels.

There are logistical issues that must be taken into account. For one, where would Marion County put all of the offenders? We cannot (anymore) stack them like cordwood. Federal courts get involved and it gets ugly.

The expense to build the necessary facilities, staff them, and maintain them would require significant tax increases or state funding. Tens of millions of dollars. Even if an arrangement was made to send them to surrounding counties, it would be millions in expenses.

 

[Denny347]

I was on the road like riverman when this was happening. WIBC seemed to have a lot of reporting early. First reports were that these suspects were teens. Any confirmation of that?

Non shooter might be an adult teen

 

[Csquared]

The tax money that will be spent keeping this worthless puke alive until he gets the needle should instead be sent to the officer's family. Rest In Peace to Lt. Allan, and prayers for his family... I don't know how you men and women in blue wake up and do this day in and day out. You have my utmost respect.

 

[halfmileharry]

There's a lot of downside to some executions.
On the other hand....
There's a lot of well educated specialists running this broken system that aren't even getting it close to right.
There IS a world of right and wrong that needs preserved.
This is our world, our home where we raise our families and build a life as best possible.
We CONTINUALLY have to worry about some P.O.S. like these destroying everything we stand for.
This system is broke. It needs fixed. The way it's being run now is ridiculous.
I don't want to hear about jail over crowding, "turning his life around", "who's going to pay for this" stuff.
Sorry to those here that think I'm cruel. I believe in our Constitution and laws.
It's NOT cruel punishment to "Neutralize" this culture and thinking. IF you keep letting these sewer dwellers continue to build strength then it will be out of hand and won't be fixable until the end of civilization.
I agree with Kut that when a sentence is handed down it should be served.
Anyone can screw up once. This isn't a screw up. This was an execution of a "good Samaritan" there to help out. Yes, he WAS an officer of the law and he was executed over the uniform and badge. Do you really think this type of thinking can be fixed?

 

[T.Lex]

There's a lot of downside to some executions.
On the other hand....
There's a lot of well educated specialists running this broken system that aren't even getting it close to right.
There IS a world of right and wrong that needs preserved.
This is our world, our home where we raise our families and build a life as best possible.
We CONTINUALLY have to worry about some P.O.S. like these destroying everything we stand for.
This system is broke. It needs fixed. The way it's being run now is ridiculous.
I don't want to hear about jail over crowding, "turning his life around", "who's going to pay for this" stuff.
Sorry to those here that think I'm cruel. I believe in our Constitution and laws.
It's NOT cruel punishment to "Neutralize" this culture and thinking. IF you keep letting these sewer dwellers continue to build strength then it will be out of hand and won't be fixable until the end of civilization.
I agree with Kut that when a sentence is handed down it should be served.
Anyone can screw up once. This isn't a screw up. This was an execution of a "good Samaritan" there to help out. Yes, he WAS an officer of the law and he was executed over the uniform and badge. Do you really think this type of thinking can be fixed?

I understand and sympathize with these sentiments.

It raises a question in my mind: why do people think the criminal justice system can fix these problems? I do not disagree; the problems are deeply rooted in culture. The criminal justice system is a poor substitute for family support systems, faith based support systems, and overall desire to live a law abiding life.

Police, prosecutors, judges, jails get involved after a crime occurs. They have very little influence on whether the crime occurs.

 

[halfmileharry]

I understand and sympathize with these sentiments.

It raises a question in my mind: why do people think the criminal justice system can fix these problems? I do not disagree; the problems are deeply rooted in culture. The criminal justice system is a poor substitute for family support systems, faith based support systems, and overall desire to live a law abiding life.

Police, prosecutors, judges, jails get involved after a crime occurs. They have very little influence on whether the crime occurs.

They can help keep criminal occurrences from continually happening from the same people.

 

[indiucky]

No, to public executions. The belief that such is a deterrent, is misguided. Criminals don't think "I better not do this, because if I get caught...." Criminals don't ever think they will be caught, hence why they do the crime. Our society doesn't need such morally draconian spectacles. We're above that. Find the pieces of trash, try them, and if convicted issue the highest punishment one can give, and be satisfied that they met justice.

First of RIP to the officer and his family...To the LEO's and especially my LEO INGO brothers in Indy my heart and prayers go out to you in this time of loss of a brother officer.....The fact he was going to help what he thought were victims of a car crash keeps sticking in my craw and will not let go....

To Kut in re public executions I once heard the reasoning this way...I'm not saying it's right but a portion of it makes sense...Many times the person being executed was a known criminal in town....Oftentimes running criminal enterprises and flashing a lot of money around....Many times (and we see it today in both the inner city and the rural communities) these men are looked up to by the younger boys in town...."Man...Did you see that new car so and so got...How about that silk suit??? Look at all the pretty girls he gets..etc..."

He eventually oversteps the line, kills someone and is to be executed by hanging...The young people of the community get to see the guy they thought was so tough and successful sobbing, begging for his life and if he has an ounce of decency say to the young people out there, "Don't make the mistakes I did...Listen to your folks..." before having a blind put on and having his neck stretched....I can picture a father looking down at his son and saying, "Do you still want to be like that when you grow up?"

Just another way of looking at it...

 

[Benp]

I was away from the computer yesterday, but heard about this on my way into work this morning. I was about 4 miles away from that intersection when this happened and didn't have a clue. This is so sad. Prayers for officer Allan's family and for all of our officers! I don't know why this nation is trying so strongly to keep God out when we need Him so desperately!

 

[SMiller]

Non shooter might be an adult teen

So the 28 year old Jason Brown is the shooter and the juvenile was the non shooter?

 

[actaeon277]

We're not disagreeing. I do have my issue with the death penalty (due to application) but in theory I would accept it. I just have an issue with making it a public spectacle.

My problem with the death penalty is unevenness and error.
So, evenly apply.
As for error... some cases are easy.

 

[churchmouse]

First of RIP to the officer and his family...To the LEO's and especially my LEO INGO brothers in Indy my heart and prayers go out to you in this time of loss of a brother officer.....The fact he was going to help what he thought were victims of a car crash keeps sticking in my craw and will not let go....

To Kut in re public executions I once heard the reasoning this way...I'm not saying it's right but a portion of it makes sense...Many times the person being executed was a known criminal in town....Oftentimes running criminal enterprises and flashing a lot of money around....Many times (and we see it today in both the inner city and the rural communities) these men are looked up to by the younger boys in town...."Man...Did you see that new car so and so got...How about that silk suit??? Look at all the pretty girls he gets..etc..."

He eventually oversteps the line, kills someone and is to be executed by hanging...The young people of the community get to see the guy they thought was so tough and successful sobbing, begging for his life and if he has an ounce of decency say to the young people out there, "Don't make the mistakes I did...Listen to your folks..." before having a blind put on and having his neck stretched....I can picture a father looking down at his son and saying, "Do you still want to be like that when you grow up?"

Just another way of looking at it...

I see it this way in my mind.
The issues we will face are grown woman dressing as vagina's and attracting undue media attention.