Straw purchase?

[Okra]

When in doubt...I don't....I have turned down sales based on a "bad vibe"......


"WTF do you mean you won't sell me the gun because of a "bad vibe"?"

"Bad vibe"...It's 70's talk for GTF out of my shop? Do you understand now?"

I would think the 'bad vibe' sales method would be risky in this age of the ever-proliferating "protected classes." Seller says 'bad vibe,' and buyer says 'I'm a victim of [choose one]ism."

 

[churchmouse]

Even in the rain

Yup......even in the rain...

 

[churchmouse]

The Hello Kitty purse will be proof of who he is.

OK so I just put it and the helmet on. I am wearing pants so the spouse does not have me "Looked into" but I do feel special.

 

[IndyTom]

So am I legally in the wrong if I purchase a .22 rifle for my grandkids to have? There fathers already own firearms and are proper persons.

Gifts for people legally allowed to possess firearms aren't the issue. Now, if your grandkid has a felony and you're knowingly doing this, it is a problem.

I'm surprised I didn't get flagged for buying a youth sized 410, At six foot tall and 220lbs what do I need a youth shotgun for.

I don't believe the law should apply for spouses and kids, family house, all money comes from the same source.

The problem with this is...she's a proper person, he has felonies...it doesn't matter that they're married if she is getting him a gun. This is exactly why it is an issue and the clerk has no way of knowing. Appearances matter and can get the store in trouble.

 

[BugI02]

If the clerk was married. He'd realize that it's all her money, even if she keeps it in his wallet.

He speaks the truth!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to JettaKnight again.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Thank you Jetta...

When in doubt...I don't....I have turned down sales based on a "bad vibe"......


"WTF do you mean you won't sell me the gun because of a "bad vibe"?"

"Bad vibe"...It's 70's talk for GTF out of my shop? Do you understand now?"

That has to be one of the best things about having your own shop. Getting to throw out a surly customer.

 

[db1959]

The Hello Kitty purse will be proof of who he is.

OK so I just put it and the helmet on. I am wearing pants so the spouse does not have me "Looked into" but I do feel special.

You know there may be another member that might rock the same setup.

 

[churchmouse]

You know there may be another member that might rock the same setup.

Yes I am aware. Does this member have the hand knit lavender "G" string...???

 

[Dirtebiker]

All you have to believe is that the buyer is not an improper person. If you have no reason to believe they are not a proper person, then all is well. Unless you're an FFL, you're not seeing my DL and you can keep the gun. I don't do many gun deals outside of FFLs, but the handful I have, I've never shown my DL. You do not need a LTCH to own a handgun, so why make them show one to buy a handgun?

Because anyone can make any rules they choose, and sell to anyone they choose.

 

[Dirtebiker]

I would think the 'bad vibe' sales method would be risky in this age of the ever-proliferating "protected classes." Seller says 'bad vibe,' and buyer says 'I'm a victim of [choose one]ism."

That's cool too! They can say what they want. Still not getting the gun!

 

[indiucky]

That has to be one of the best things about having your own shop. Getting to throw out a surly customer.

Believe it or not it's actually very nerve wracking.....

 

[Alpo]

I was not for certain...

With some it's just a feeling you get...Hard to explain...I probably have one or two a year that get the boot.....

Spidey sense.

 

[Alpo]

"Do you do transfers?"

--Yes

"My friends and I want to buy a dozen stripped lowers. How much will you charge me for the transfer?"

--Well, $15. But each of your buddies will have to come in and fill out the 4473.

"You won't transfer them all to me?"

---No.

"So and So gun shop will do it."

---Please go see So and So, that is if the ATF still has the shop open.

 

[HoughMade]

"Do you do transfers?"

--Yes

"My friends and I want to buy a dozen stripped lowers. How much will you charge me for the transfer?"

--Well, $15. But each of your buddies will have to come in and fill out the 4473.

"You won't transfer them all to me?"

---No.

"So and So gun shop will do it."

---Please go see So and So, that is if the ATF still has the shop open.

Pfft. I read on INGO that you can have your buddy pay for a gun, you fill out the 4473 and have it transferred to you, then just gift it to him.

 

[T.Lex]

Pfft. I read on INGO that you can have your buddy pay for a gun, you fill out the 4473 and have it transferred to you, then just gift it to him.

Wait.

That's totally not what happened.

You can have your friend pretend to be you and buy a gun in your name, but pay for it with his own money, then you fill out the 4473 as if you paid for it, then gift it to him. Gift him the gun that he already paid for.

 

[HoughMade]

Wait.

That's totally not what happened.

You can have your friend pretend to be you and buy a gun in your name, but pay for it with his own money, then you fill out the 4473 as if you paid for it, then gift it to him. Gift him the gun that he already paid for.

I've heard it both ways.

 

[JettaKnight]

Pfft. I read on INGO that you can have your buddy pay for a gun, you fill out the 4473 and have it transferred to you, then just gift it to him.

As long as they're a proper person, I heard it's OK.

 

[WebSnyper]

As long as they're a proper person, I heard it's OK.

Yep, it amazes me that people keep coming back to that, when its not the case. The other person's status as a proper person is irrelevant as you and Houghmade and others have stated.

 

[ram91648]

It's splitting hairs, but technically the person purchasing was not the person paying so I can see why they would err on the side of caution. Store policy, BATFE instructions, insurance company, unsure employee. I can see it happening as described.

A straw purchase or nominee purchase is any purchasehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchase wherein an agent agrees to acquire a good or service for someone who is unable or unwilling to purchase the good or service themselves, and the agent transfers the goods or services to that person after purchasing them. In general, straw purchases are legal except in cases where the ultimate receiver of goods or services uses those goods or services in the commission of a crime with the prior knowledge of the straw purchaser, or if the ultimate possessor is not legally able to purchase the goods or services. In some jurisdictions, straw purchases are legal although the end user is not legally able to purchase the good or service himself or herself. If the husband filled out the 4473 and paid for it and said or indicated the gun was for someone else i.e. his wife then it was a straw purchase. In this case, the wife filled out the 4473 as the eventual owner of the gun and the husband was only paying for it. This "is not" a straw purchase. It isn't a straw purchase if the purchaser of record via 4473 is the owner of the gun after purchase. Pretty simple...........

 

[T.Lex]

Interesting first post. Welcome to INGO.

In general, straw purchases are legal except in cases where the ultimate receiver of goods or services uses those goods or services in the commission of a crime with the prior knowledge of the straw purchaser, or if the ultimate possessor is not legally able to purchase the goods or services. In some jurisdictions, straw purchases are legal although the end user is not legally able to purchase the good or service himself or herself. If the husband filled out the 4473 and paid for it and said or indicated the gun was for someone else i.e. his wife then it was a straw purchase. In this case, the wife filled out the 4473 as the eventual owner of the gun and the husband was only paying for it. This "is not" a straw purchase. It isn't a straw purchase if the purchaser of record via 4473 is the owner of the gun after purchase. Pretty simple...........

I'm curious where you found this paragraph.

There are... imperfections... in what it describes.