Sunday Sales Dies in Committee 2017

[CampingJosh]

I'm simply asking that if you join a game that has an established set of rules do you have a right to ***** about the rules because you don't like them?

That's why I don't vote! That way I can complain about the government.

Wait....

 

[Jludo]

I could probably care less if I tried but just curious; the big box stores entered the liquor business under the existing set of rules and then started jockeying to have the rules changed that would definitely be to their advantage with zero capital outlay. Why can't they just continue to play by the established rules? And yes I know, civil liberties, big government, big brother, big toe, etc. I'm simply asking that if you join a game that has an established set of rules do you have a right to ***** about the rules because you don't like them?

If the rules are **** yea you absolutely have a right to ***** about them, 'because it already exists' isn't a good argument for keeping a bad law.

 

[chipbennett]

I could probably care less if I tried but just curious; the big box stores entered the liquor business under the existing set of rules and then started jockeying to have the rules changed that would definitely be to their advantage with zero capital outlay. Why can't they just continue to play by the established rules? And yes I know, civil liberties, big government, big brother, big toe, etc. I'm simply asking that if you join a game that has an established set of rules do you have a right to ***** about the rules because you don't like them?

I couldn't care less how the big box stores benefit (or not). I want my freedom to purchase a lawful product not to be restricted to arbitrary days of the week.

 

[femurphy77]

I couldn't care less how the big box stores benefit (or not). I want my freedom to purchase a lawful product not to be restricted to arbitrary days of the week.

Are car sales still outlawed in Indiana? And I'm not defending OR attacking the law, just wondering why someone would enter into a business that has limitations and then ***** about the limitations. Personally I've always been able to inventory the stock and make purchases as necessary. Just not worth getting worked up either way.

 

[CampingJosh]

Are car sales still outlawed in Indiana? And I'm not defending OR attacking the law, just wondering why someone would enter into a business that has limitations and then ***** about the limitations. Personally I've always been able to inventory the stock and make purchases as necessary. Just not worth getting worked up either way.

Have you ever complained about a gun law? How is that any different?

 

[Destro]

There are many other alcohol laws that need to changed before this...it shouldn't be up to the state house to pick winners and losers in the alcohol industry. My mind is blown by the amount of disinformation on here.

 

[Jludo]

There are many other alcohol laws that need to changed before this...it shouldn't be up to the state house to pick winners and losers in the alcohol industry. My mind is blown by the amount of disinformation on here.

Inform us.

 

[Destro]

Inform us.

First, I’ll say, I’m more inclined to support Sunday sales vs. other proposals such as cold carryout at non-package stores. But Liquor is a highly-regulated industry (this fractured, terrible bureaucracy is what the “legalize it” crowd is in for with their “legalize and tax” rallying cry) and the similarities to firearms are easy:


If your LGS, say John Doe Guns…decides he wants to provide class 3 services to his customers, there is significantly more paperwork on top of his regular FFL to deal with. JDS goes through the trouble and successfully becomes a class 3 dealer, win for everyone!
Wal-Mart decides that, due to the growing interest in NFA items, it’s an area for growth for them. But because of the regulatory burden, it would cut into their profits. So the Big Box lobby petitions congress for an exemption for Big Box FFLs to sell class 3 items under new, special regulations for them (streamlined background checks, transfers on 4473 only, insert whatever you want), while leaving the old regulations still on the book for John Doe Guns to still.
Customer is happy! He can buy his class 3 items at Wal-Mart just like he buys his guns at the LGS…but still has to do all the hard stuff at the LGS.
Some people here sound like the happy Wal-Mart customer, getting to exercise his “freedom” to own class 3 items with the simple background check and not the stupid crap at John Doe Guns. “LGS model unsustainable, are they afraid of competition?” yet….it’s really not a competition, since they don’t get to play by the same rules.


The exact same thing happens in the liquor business. These changes seem small, but they have big implications for an industry that is already heavily regulated.

 

[Destro]

One example above is the type of products available for sale in a package store….another issue is licensing.
The licensing burden for Walgreens, Kroger, etc. is far less onerous than for a package store. Licenses are issued by population. Package stores are allotted, say 8 licenses for every 10,000 people (no clue if that’s the actual number without looking it up), While the license Kroger and Walgreens use is based on a smaller amount of the population, say 8 for every 2500 people. This is just one example in an entire book of regulations already written to favor one retail style over another.

 

[Jludo]

One example above is the type of products available for sale in a package store….another issue is licensing.
The licensing burden for Walgreens, Kroger, etc. is far less onerous than for a package store. Licenses are issued by population. Package stores are allotted, say 8 licenses for every 10,000 people (no clue if that’s the actual number without looking it up), While the license Kroger and Walgreens use is based on a smaller amount of the population, say 8 for every 2500 people. This is just one example in an entire book of regulations already written to favor one retail style over another.

You can make this kind of argument against any and every single law that might be changed, I, and most others here simply disagree with you. If we can move towards more freedom, for anyone, we want it. Those invested in liquor stores may get the short end but going forward it's better for everyone. no one will open a liquor store if the burden is so great going forward but to not fix a broken law going forward simply because other laws are broken is not what I want to see.

 

[Jeepster48439]

Guess I'll have to continue to travel to the east side of the county when I fail to properly plan for a Sunday consumption.

 

[Destro]

You can make this kind of argument against any and every single law that might be changed, I, and most others here simply disagree with you. If we can move towards more freedom, for anyone, we want it. Those invested in liquor stores may get the short end but going forward it's better for everyone. no one will open a liquor store if the burden is so great going forward but to not fix a broken law going forward simply because other laws are broken is not what I want to see.

Not every law has it's own bureaucracy behind it. I personally don’t like the idea of sacrificing justice and due process in the name of perceived “liberty”. They could eliminate the regulations wholesale, and while there would be winners and losers, followed by market correction, at least everyone would be playing by the same rules. Until it’s an actual “free market”, the current Oligarchy should think careful about how their actions affect their current “planned market”. It’s kind of sickening to think about a select few sitting down in Indianapolis scheming of ways to tighten the noose

 

[chipbennett]

Are car sales still outlawed in Indiana? And I'm not defending OR attacking the law, just wondering why someone would enter into a business that has limitations and then ***** about the limitations. Personally I've always been able to inventory the stock and make purchases as necessary. Just not worth getting worked up either way.

I don't know what any of that has to do with me, the consumer. As I mentioned in the related 2016 thread on the same topic, it just so happens that, due to work travel, Sunday is often the only day that is convenient for me to purchase groceries - including alcohol.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

I am a Christian.

Blue Laws Suck.

They always have.

 

[KLB]

One example above is the type of products available for sale in a package store….another issue is licensing.
The licensing burden for Walgreens, Kroger, etc. is far less onerous than for a package store. Licenses are issued by population. Package stores are allotted, say 8 licenses for every 10,000 people (no clue if that’s the actual number without looking it up), While the license Kroger and Walgreens use is based on a smaller amount of the population, say 8 for every 2500 people. This is just one example in an entire book of regulations already written to favor one retail style over another.

That licensing model does little but restrict competition. Why should anyone have to buy a license to be able to sell alcohol?

Why is there a limit on the number of licenses available?

Do the liquor stores ever try to get the license limits repealed or even the licenses themselves? I bet the answer is no. They don't want more competition.

 

[JettaKnight]

I am a Christian.

Blue Laws Suck.

They always have.

Chick-fil-a seems to be doing just fine with a "Chicken Blue Law".

 

[Alpo]

Let's see....a juicy chicken sandwich is the equivalent of a quart of vodka or a case of IPA?

Nah. Try harder.

 

[indiucky]

Louisville is just a mile away...Every Sunday the Hoosier Parade crosses 2nd street bridge to Mike Walsh's drive thru and whups the car/truck back around to head North....About a five minute journey round trip....

Kentuckians love Jesus but they love Hoosier money as well...We got even by building a Casino down river...

 

[indiucky]

Let's see....a juicy chicken sandwich is the equivalent of a quart of vodka or a case of IPA?

Nah. Try harder.

They are both closed on Sunday is where I think my buddy jetta was going with that...

And just think...A juicy chicken sandwich could've saved Karen Carpenters life...Or take in the case of a ham sandwich take Cassie's life...

 

[JettaKnight]

Let's see....a juicy chicken sandwich is the equivalent of a quart of vodka or a case of IPA?

Nah. Try harder.

They are both closed on Sunday is where I think my buddy jetta was going with that...

THIS.


My point is that businesses change have a Christian moral practice, like closing on Sunday, and still be successful even if their competitors are open seven days a week.

Hence, blue laws are not necessary.


I'm quite upset that Rep. Bob Morris sees Sunday Sales as a moral issue: "...Drunk Daddy will have one day of sobriety...", no, Drunk Daddy will drunk drive to the bar.