Terrorists massacre magazine office staffers

[BiscuitNaBasket]

From another pic, it looks like part of the plan was to ambush police as they arrived.

I'm still not sure how the US has been able to avoid these kinds of orchestrated, team-style attacks.

It's only a matter of time. Stay vigilant.

 

[Destro]

Piers Morgan strangely silent about gun control laws in France | Twitchy

how is this relevant?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

how is this relevant?

I don't think you clicked the link.

Edit: The video of the officer being shot is heart-wrenching. The terrorist saying "Tu voulais nous tuer, hein?" (You wanted to kill us, huh?) when approaching the already-on-ground cop. Then the cop replied "Nan c'est bon chef!" ("Nah it's okay chief!") meaning that he is no longer able to fight and that they don't have to kill him, and then they shot.

In response to attacks like this in America - What do you believe is even possible to prevent them? Surprise is surprise. You can't really combat that. People with the intent to do harm will likely get away with it until a response arrives

 

[ghuns]

how is this relevant?

I don't think you clicked the link.

The last time Piers Morgan said ANYTHING relevant was when he said, "ouch!", after getting punched in the face by Jeremy Clarkson.

 

[T.Lex]

From the Beeb streaming coverage, Stephane Charbonnier, the magazine's editor-in-chief, was killed along with 3 cartoonists. She had received death threats in the past and was living under police protection.

Makes me wonder if they were the unarmed version... apparently 2 officers are now confirmed killed.

 

[GNRPowdeR]

Islamic Attack in Paris

BBC Coverage

EDIT: I realize this is a dupe, however I hoped it would get better seen in this thread, while also opening up discussions.

 

[Destro]

I don't think you clicked the link.

Edit: The video of the officer being shot is heart-wrenching. The terrorist saying "Tu voulais nous tuer, hein?" (You wanted to kill us, huh?) when approaching the already-on-ground cop. Then the cop replied "Nan c'est bon chef!" ("Nah it's okay chief!") meaning that he is no longer able to fight and that they don't have to kill him, and then they shot.

In response to attacks like this in America - What do you believe is even possible to prevent them? Surprise is surprise. You can't really combat that. People with the intent to do harm will likely get away with it until a response arrives

I guess I don't understand the point of dragging political gun control issues in it, particularly when it seems like the method of attack could have probably been just as successful stateside.

Reports are they had a rocket launcher

 

[Kirk Freeman]

What do you believe is even possible to prevent them?

Read their Facebook posts and tweets.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

I guess I don't understand the point of dragging political gun control issues in it, particularly when it seems like the method of attack could have probably been just as successful stateside.

Reports are they had a rocket launcher

To be fair, it was a lazy link. I was sitting in my car when I saw the news feed. Was mobile, it was the first link I saw related to the event, so copied/pasted it here. Twitchy's headline of it is stupid, admittedly... more of a commentary on how Piers' first tweet after something like this would be gun-related if it were here in America... but somehow that was absent this time.

 

[T.Lex]

Heya, pardon my thickheadedness (too cold, not enough coffee)... these guys are still loose, right?

Any mention of what people should look for? Seems like at least some of the video provides a solid extraction route for these guys.

 

[jwh20]

Coexist anyone?

How can you coexist with someone who is obligated by his belief system to kill you? I know we've been told that [insert-radical-ideology-here] is ever-peaceful and is deserving of respect but I disagree that this is a religion at all, that it is peaceful, and that it should be respected as a belief-system. It's in the same category as Nazism, Marxism, even Socialism. These are freedom-destroying ideologies that depend on forceful coercion of opponents backed up by brutality and murder.

 

[Destro]

To be fair, it was a lazy link. I was sitting in my car when I saw the news feed. Was mobile, it was the first link I saw related to the event, so copied/pasted it here. Twitchy's headline of it is stupid, admittedly... more of a commentary on how Piers' first tweet after something like this would be gun-related if it were here in America... but somehow that was absent this time.

ohh ok, yeah "good" videos....but the commentary about gun control just isn't relevant when your talking about coordinated terrorist attacks IMO.

 

[Destro]

Heya, pardon my thickheadedness (too cold, not enough coffee)... these guys are still loose, right?

Any mention of what people should look for? Seems like at least some of the video provides a solid extraction route for these guys.

I believe they are "working on that"...no intel yet. They think they switched cars again

 

[miguel]

President François Hollande rushed to the scene of the incident, and confirmed the fatalities, adding that at least 40 people had been rescued from the building. He said the exact number of victims was not known and that France was in a state of shock following the “terrorist attack”. He described the shooting as “an act of exceptional barbarity”. (source: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/12a0ac48-965e-11e4-a40b-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#slide0)

Exceptional...unless you've been watching the news for 10-15 years. Or are moderately well read in history.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

INGO Coverage

 

[T.Lex]

I know we've been told that [insert-radical-ideology-here] is ever-peaceful and is deserving of respect but I disagree that this is a religion at all, that it is peaceful, and that it should be respected as a belief-system. It's in the same category as Nazism, Marxism, even Socialism. These are freedom-destroying ideologies that depend on forceful coercion of opponents backed up by brutality and murder.

Perhaps the exploration of this idea is better in a different thread, but I'm curious - how is islamofascism like Marxism or Socialism. I totally get the point that fascism - either in the form of Islamic or Nazi extremism - is a political movement where oppressive brutality is a key feature.

Rather, the Marxism/Socialism reference is what confuses me. To the extent those are separate things, it is more about economics and social evolution. The state does become more powerful, but not necessarily brutally so. The gov'ts closest to classical socialism are not particularly violent.

But, that's pretty much a derail.

Thoughts and prayers to our French cousins - literally and figuratively.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Charlie Hebdo: French Satire Magazine's Shocking Covers (Photos) - The Daily Beast

They were pretty well known for being THE source for controversial satire. They covered the whole gamut of views, too... not just the one that's the topic of today's event.

Edit: They're confirming three gunmen involved.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/552831918862258176

 

[jwh20]

I guess I don't understand the point of dragging political gun control issues in it, particularly when it seems like the method of attack could have probably been just as successful stateside.

Reports are they had a rocket launcher

The fact is that in France, private firearm ownership is all but banned. It's not quite as restrictive as the UK, Germany, or Australia but more like California where you have to have permits for almost any firearm and those permits are rarely approved. It's clear from the reports that this was a retribution attack since it's reported that this magazine may have said things that might be considered offensive to Muslims or degrading about Mohammed.

But the point is, if more restrictive firearms laws would deter something like this, why did it happen? Of course nobody here is confused about this. Laws are observed only by lawful men and women and criminals, thugs, terrorists, etc. don't care about laws. Do you think they thought for one moment what was the consequence of having an illegal firearm when they were plotting mass murder? I doubt it. In fact they were probably assured that there was very little risk of their plan being derailed due to any armed citizen in the office where they attacked. In other words, score another sad point for the "gun free" zone movement!

 

[bradmedic04]

Ibtl

 

[T.Lex]

ohh ok, yeah "good" videos....but the commentary about gun control just isn't relevant when your talking about coordinated terrorist attacks IMO.

I somewhat disagree, but only in the sense of timing. Right now, the focus should be on the victims, their families, and the French people. But, with all sincerity, I think at some point the role of "normal" gun owners in taking on this kind of asymmetric attack should be discussed.

The one video taken from an apartment looking down on the street - that shot would've been a couple hundred yards, at most.