the k9 truth

[IndyDave1776]

I like the word games you defense attorneys play with things like "Ghost molecules," inferring that they do not exist. Radiation is like a ghost molecule, but I doubt you hang out in the x-ray room.

The flip side of this is that I would like some REAL justification for my rights being infringed based on something that it technically correct but practically wrong (i.e., drug residue being present at some time past for reasons that have nothing to do with any willful act on my part).

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I like the word games you defense attorneys play with things like "Ghost molecules," inferring that they do not exist.

Forgive me for demanding evidence in the courtroom in contradistinction to faith in dog.

 

[TaunTaun]

I like the word games you defense attorneys play with things like "Ghost molecules," inferring that they do not exist. Radiation is like a ghost molecule, but I doubt you hang out in the x-ray room.

Unfortunately for your example, radiation is quantifiable and readily measurable. I like hanging out in X-Ray rooms, it gives me a warm fuzzy.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

And if it is radioactive one could home in on it with a scientific instrument unlike Space Ghost Molecules.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Kirk, I have a dumb question: How does it work out in the event that a vehicle is searched based on the probable cause of the infallible nose indicating drugs, only to have the officer discover the complete absence of drugs but finds contraband of a completely unrelated nature?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

How does it work out in the event that a vehicle is searched based on the probable cause of the infallible nose indicating drugs, only to have the officer discover the complete absence of drugs but finds contraband of a completely unrelated nature?

You mean like when the cops testify at dep that dogs only smell meth, horse, coke and pot and then testify at hearing that dogs have evolved the ability to smell pills? Like that? Like like I am still sore over that alleged scenario or anything.

Well, last time it worked out like: I file a motion, roll around on the courtroom floor frothing at the mouth during hearing as police testify to Darwinism in action right here in Tippecanoe County, judge denies motion to suppress and order me not to stroke out, then denies interloc appeal, guy convicted at trial (evidence is in, no brainer), but judge gives an optimal sentence and client declines to appeal.

 

[rw496]

Kirk, I have a dumb question: How does it work out in the event that a vehicle is searched based on the probable cause of the infallible nose indicating drugs, only to have the officer discover the complete absence of drugs but finds contraband of a completely unrelated nature?

You're screwed.

 

[jeremy]

Well, last time it worked out like: I file a motion, roll around on the courtroom floor frothing at the mouth during hearing as police testify to Darwinism in action right here in Tippecanoe County, judge denies motion to suppress and order me not to stroke out, then denies interloc appeal, guy convicted at trial (evidence is in, no brainer), but judge gives an optimal sentence and client declines to appeal.

Are these Dogs GSD or Belgium Malinois?!

If they are GSDs i would be interested in breeding them into my *****es, I mean they are after all an evolutionary step ahead of mine...

 

[jeremy]

You're screwed.

I bet With a good Attorney, and key Trainers, and Breeders one could make a LEA look pretty damn stupid on the stand over that...

 

[IndyDave1776]

You mean like when the cops testify at dep that dogs only smell meth, horse, coke and pot and then testify at hearing that dogs have evolved the ability to smell pills? Like that? Like like I am still sore over that alleged scenario or anything.

Well, last time it worked out like: I file a motion, roll around on the courtroom floor frothing at the mouth during hearing as police testify to Darwinism in action right here in Tippecanoe County, judge denies motion to suppress and order me not to stroke out, then denies interloc appeal, guy convicted at trial (evidence is in, no brainer), but judge gives an optimal sentence and client declines to appeal.

You're screwed.

So in other words, the dog's nose has become a de facto writ of assistance?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You're screwed.

Not if there was a way to challenge the reliability and Spontaneous Stiuational Darwinism of the dogs, see e.g. Kirk's Modest Proposal.

 

[TaunTaun]

Are these Dogs GSD or Belgium Malinois?!

If they are GSDs i would be interested in breeding them into my *****es, I mean they are after all an evolutionary step ahead of mine...

UberGSD

 

[rw496]

I bet With a good Attorney, and key Trainers, and Breeders one could make a LEA look pretty damn stupid on the stand over that...

Are you saying Kirk is not a good attorney?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So in other words, the dog's nose has become a de facto writ of assistance?

Winner, winner, bacon dinner.

And they laughed at me before they drove me to madness!

 

[IndyDave1776]

Not if there was a way to challenge the reliability and Spontaneous Stiuational Darwinism of the dogs, see e.g. Kirk's Modest Proposal.

So, when the dog indicates non-existent drugs, but the cop finds the nuclear bomb in the trunk, there might be an argument to suppress?

 

[TaunTaun]

So, when the dog indicates non-existent drugs, but the cop finds the nuclear bomb in the trunk, there might be an argument to suppress?

 

[jeremy]

Are you saying Kirk is not a good attorney?

Don't know what Kirk's record is as far as him being a Good attorney. I have never needed an Attorney in Indiana for Criminal Matters...

I think Kirk's problem was that his witness didn't have pockets deep enough to help the cause...

 

[TaunTaun]

Don't know what Kirk's record is as far as him being a Good attorney. I have never needed an Attorney in Indiana for Criminal Matters...

I think Kirk's problem was that his witness didn't have pockets deep enough to help the cause...

Well, for 20 bucks more he would have popped in a couple alkeseltzer tabs before he started rolling on the floor....

 

[Kirk Freeman]

bet With a good Attorney, and key Trainers, and Breeders one could make a LEA look pretty damn stupid on the stand over that...

Oh, yeah, but that's not always a winner, albeit satisfying to say "Situational, Spontaneous Selection" in the courtroom.

It is one that I will be bitter about for the rest of the career. It wasn't right and it happened in front of me.

 

[jeremy]

Well, for 20 bucks more he would have popped in a couple alkeseltzer tabs before he started rolling on the floor....

So you are saying he needs to take some more Courtroom Acting Classes, instead of watching Matlock reruns...