The massacre at Fort Hood and Muslim soldiers with attitude

[cce1302]

So you ask. What assurance have you of truthful answers? Do you kick out anyone with objections? Do you put that person in an area where his contributions are not related to the conflict in the country where his loyalties might be conflicted? (that is, if our war is with, for example, Mexico, do you station this guy in Germany or Antarctica?) Or do you do something totally different from either of these possibilities?

Blessings,
Bill

We let them roll with it as long as they're being truthful in their support for the US. Once they begin making extreme statements (as this alleged muslim extremist terrorist allegedly made) we certainly don't let them continue in their jobs.

 

[Fletch]

There is a common thread between all muslim terrorists. They're all muslims.

I've also noticed a similar common thread between all black dogs. They're all black.

I think you may be on to something here...

 

[CarmelHP]

I don't know all the answers, but I know that to immediately suspect a whole group is not productive; while we are focusing on all the Muslims, what is to prevent a Palestinian, a Venezuelan, a Chinese, or a Korean agent from causing the next incident of mayhem? Where does it end? Suspicion of all who are not purely WASP Americans? Sounds far too similar to the Master Race to me.
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If any of those others, as a group, started causing trouble as a result of an ideology they espouse, then yeah, I'd start questioning that group too, but they don't. That's the point. It isn't everyone. Those others do not espouse a uniting ideology of violence towards non-adherents. Funny how an ideology masquerading as a religion that commands it adherents to kill, forcibly convent, or subjugate the rest of humanity doesn't sound similar the Master Race to you. You're particularly tone death to that fact.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I think the whole Jewishness thing is different. You have the Jewish religion and the Jewish ethnicity. So you may not be a religious Jew but you are still a Jew. But with myself, I was born an American and will always be an American. I was not born Christian but became one. I could at any time (skip the technical debate on this) renounce my Christianity. I suppose I could renounce my citizenship but I would still have been born an American.

Getting back to the point, I do think we should avoid excesses. There are certainly people that identify themselves as Muslims that do not follow all of its tenets. I just think we need to go in with open eyes and be vigilant. There are Muslims that would like nothing better than to kill Americans. We also seem be seeing people in this country converting to radical forms of Islam in the prisons and in some poverty stricken communities. Just like they have been seeing it occur in the UK. They are just further down this path than we are.

As was I born and always will be an American. I could choose to practice Christianity as well, but I do not. Are you saying that because my religion is based in Judaism, that I'm either not or something less of an American than you are? (no anger here, just trying to clarify what you seem to be saying.
Open eyes, yes. Vigilance, yes. There certainly are people who would like nothing better than to kill, and Americans make a good target when your excuse for killing is your religion. Really, if your goal is to violate the rights of others or to take the lives of the innocent and unarmed, any excuse will do:
At Columbine, it was bullying.
At Va Tech, it was that the murderer was spurned by a woman, IIRC.
At Oklahoma City, it was Ruby Ridge and the Waco Branch Davidians.

For any of many different serial killers whose names I will not repeat, each had his own reason. This does not change the fact that open eyes and vigilance would have been helpful.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Fletch]

I think too much is being made of this one point. The guy he recognized was a Congressional Medal of Honor winner... as I understand it, the CMH isn't handed out to just anybody -- it's not the Nobel Peace Prize.

Update: Out of curiosity, I went to the Congressional Medal of Honor Society's website, and looked for "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow", but couldn't find him. So I found him on Wikipedia, and it turns out that President Obama misidentified the honor bestowed upon him -- he won the Congressional Gold Medal, not the Congressional Medal of Honor. And it turns out the CGM probably is handed out to just about anybody. So perhaps it's right to be irritated with Obama... he basically just insulted all of the CMH winners by not knowing the difference.

 

[Bill of Rights]

If any of those others, as a group, started causing trouble as a result of an ideology they espouse, then yeah, I'd start questioning that group too, but they don't. That's the point. It isn't everyone. Those others do not espouse a uniting ideology of violence towards non-adherents. Funny how an ideology masquerading as a religion that commands it adherents to kill, forcibly convent, or subjugate the rest of humanity doesn't sound similar the Master Race to you. You're particularly tone death to that fact.

That's not the point I was making, Carmel. To restate, if all of our attention is focused on X (Muslims, in the above example), we will not be paying attention to the memver of group A, B, C, or D when a member of one of those groups then comes in and causes some form of destruction, our attention then goes toward them as well... and then the next, and the next.

I am not as you put it, "tone deaf" to Radical Islam promoting a "Master Race" as well. I just see pointing that out as similar to, when a complaint is heard about Barry Hussein's disregard for our Constitution, his supporters raising issues about GWB's disregard for the same. That Bush violated it also does not excuse Barry doing it now.

 

[cklein6576]

The easy way...

First we ban all belief in any God(s), and instead follow the direction of the one world goverment that will be set up.

You will go to work but receive no compensation because the goverment will take care of all our needs.

Anyone thats different will be reported and reeducated.

See, wasn't that easy?


In our way of life these things may happen. Its the price for an open and somewhat free society. I think there is an old saying for that....

Ill admit that I profile and watch certain types of people much harder than others. You would be a fool not to pay attention to the shady looking guy with a ball cap on and on the cell phone in a bank.

I'm here to tell you that if I hear someone yell allah ackabar in the mall I'm pulling out my glock and will do my best to stop the threat to my fellow Americans.

 

[haldir]

As was I born and always will be an American. I could choose to practice Christianity as well, but I do not. Are you saying that because my religion is based in Judaism, that I'm either not or something less of an American than you are? (no anger here, just trying to clarify what you seem to be saying.

I have no idea how you got out of my post that I questioned your patriotism or Americanism...

 

[CarmelHP]

I have no idea how you got out of my post that I questioned your patriotism or Americanism...

It's selective vision, he sees what is not there, and fails to see what is there.

 

[JetGirl]

Update: Out of curiosity, I went to the Congressional Medal of Honor Society's website, and looked for "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow", but couldn't find him. So I found him on Wikipedia, and it turns out that President Obama misidentified the honor bestowed upon him -- he won the Congressional Gold Medal, not the Congressional Medal of Honor. And it turns out the CGM probably is handed out to just about anybody. So perhaps it's right to be irritated with Obama... he basically just insulted all of the CMH winners by not knowing the difference.

Impressive footwork and follow through. Reps on recharge.

 

[haldir]

Not sure if this was posted yet, but the turd was yelling Allah Akbar during the shooting...

 

[techres]

My two cents:

1. Is this a terrorist attack borne of religious fervor? Very likely and as a result we need to be 100% on that and then make sure we do not forget or forgive.

2. At the same time, do we round up all the muslim members of the army and treat them differently than we did last week? No, of course not. We are each our own individual and should be measured by what we do, not our color, faith, etc.

Is there more to this? Oh, yeah, there is. And I hope that enough actual facts come to bear that #1 can be seen, understood, and made very, very clear to everyone in this country. But the two things working against that are (1) the barrage of bad info and junk blather from the media that does not get to anything useful and that will burn out fast and move on to the next logic failure, and (2) those that are constantly focussed on Muslims and Islam as a religion of evil and world domination, and as a result have been discounted or ignored as seemingly obsessed and thereby lost volume to their voice even though they look to be quite on in this case.

So, as the investigations move on, I really, really hope we have clarity soon and can get on tape/video what happened so that there are no misunderstandings about what happened and why.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

Maybe I missed it , but I didn't see anything saying what this guy did was wrong from either of these sites .

Breaking News! As many as 9 killed in Fort Hood shootings, officials say - Page 2 - Islamic Awakening Forums

Revolution Muslim

 

[silentvoice71]

This is horrible yes.....but now im kind of curious how anyone who does not look black/african american will be viewed.........IMO the hatred toward anyone weather they be indian or from egypt will be very bad. This is proof that those bumper stickers..... COEXIST are in my opinion a big bunch of retarted bullcrap......might as well put supercalafragalisticexpealadoshis on you damn car............Now how long before we actually have one of these terrorist groups take a city over????? How would the reaction by the presidential turd be then??????? This maks me beyond mad and i tinhk people are goin to turn on anyone who even looks middle eastern

 

[Jack Ryan]

By Michelle Malkin • November 6, 2009 12:01 AM

I was traveling to Wichita for a speaking event/fundraiser (which I’ll tell you more about later) when news of the Fort Hood massacre broke. Please continue to pray for the 12 murder victims [update 11/6: now 13 dead] and their families, and the 30 wounded and their families.
Allahpundit at Hot Air has a massive, blow-by-blow post on all the latest developments. The Christian Science Monitor profiles Nidal Malik Hasan, the Muslim soldier identified by the military as the shooter:

Terry Lee, a retired Army colonel who knew Hasan, told Fox News about a story he heard secondhand. He said a fellow colleague had told him that Hasan had made “outlandish comments” about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and US involvement in them and that “Muslims had a right to rise up and attack Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
“[He] made comments about how we shouldn’t be over there – you need to lock it up, Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor,” Lee added.
But the suspect’s cousin, Nader Hasan, gave Fox News a different picture. He said his cousin had never deployed but was affected by the war and had been concerned about his impending deployment.
“He would tell us how he would hear things, horrific things, things from war probably affecting him psychologically,” Nader Hasan said.
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From AP:

His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.
There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive. But details of his life and mindset, emerging from official sources and personal acquaintances, are troubling.
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“Troubling.” And familiar.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.
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Here’s the Scribd comment of Nidal Hasan:

There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that “IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE” and Allah (SWT) knows best.
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Those of you with long memories will remember all those who came before Hasan. Here is my column from March 2003 on Muslim soldiers with attitude:

Sgt. Asan Akbar, a Muslim American soldier with the 326th Engineer Battalion, had an “attitude problem.”
According to his superiors and acquaintances, Akbar’s attitude was bitterly anti-American and staunchly pro-Muslim. So how did this devout follower of the so-called Religion of Peace work out his attitudinal problems last weekend?
By lobbing hand grenades and aiming his M-4 automatic rifle into three tents filled with sleeping commanding officers at the 101st Airborne Division’s 1st Brigade operations center in Kuwait.
Akbar is the lone suspect being detained in the despicable attack, which left more than a dozen wounded and one dead. Surviving soldiers say Akbar, found cowering in a bunker with shrapnel injuries, was overheard ranting after the assault: “You guys are coming into our countries, and you’re going to rape our women and kill our children.”
“Our”? At least there’s no doubt about where this Religion of Peace practitioner’s true loyalties lie.
Naturally, apologists for Islam-gone-awry are hard at work dismissing this traitorous act of murder as an “isolated, individual act and not an expression of faith.” But such sentiments are willfully blind and recklessly p.c.
Sgt. Akbar is not the only MSWA — Muslim soldier with attitude — suspected of infiltrating our military, endangering our troops and undermining national security:

– Ali A. Mohamed. Mohamed, a major in the Egyptian army, immigrated to the U.S. in 1986 and joined the U.S. Army while a resident alien. This despite being on a State Department terrorist watch list before securing his visa. An avowed Islamist, he taught classes on Muslim culture to U.S. Special Forces at Fort Bragg, N.C., and obtained classified military documents. He was granted U.S. citizenship over the objections of the CIA.
A former classmate, Jason T. Fogg, recalled that Mohamed was openly critical of the American military. “To be in the U.S. military and have so much hate toward the U.S. was odd. He never referred to America as his country.”
Soon after he was honorably discharged from the Army in 1989, Mohamed hooked up with Osama bin Laden as an escort, trainer, bagman and messenger. Mohamed used his U.S. passport to conduct surveillance at the U.S. Embassy in Nairobi; he later pled guilty to conspiring with bin Laden to “attack any Western target in the Middle East” and admitted his role in the 1998 African embassy bombings that killed more than 200 people, including a dozen Americans.
Ain’t multiculturalism grand?

– Semi Osman. An ethnic Lebanese born in Sierra Leone and a Seattle-based Muslim cleric, Osman served in a naval reserve fueling unit based in Tacoma, Wash. He had access to fuel trucks similar to the type used by al Qaeda in the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers, which killed 19 U.S. airmen and wounded nearly 400 other Americans.
Osman was arrested last May as part of a federal investigation into the establishment of a terrorist training camp in Bly, Oregon. Osman recently pleaded guilty to a weapons violation, and the feds dropped immigration charges against him in exchange for his testimony.
Ain’t open borders grand?

– John Muhammad. The accused Beltway sniper and Muslim convert was a member of the Army’s 84th Engineering Company. In an eerie parallel to the Akbar case, Muhammad is suspected of throwing a thermite grenade into a tent housing 16 of his fellow soldiers as they slept before the ground-attack phase of Gulf War I in 1991. Muhammad’s superior, Sgt. Kip Berentson, told both Newsweek and The Seattle Times that he immediately suspected Muhammad, who was “trouble from day one.”
Curiously, Muhammad was admitted to the Army despite being earlier court-martialed for willfully disobeying orders, striking another noncommissioned officer, wrongfully taking property, and being absent without leave while serving in the Louisiana National Guard.
Although Muhammad was led away in handcuffs and transferred to another company pending charges for the grenade attack, an indictment never materialized. Muhammad was honorably discharged from the Army in 1994. Eight years later, he was arrested in the 21-day Beltway shooting spree that left 10 dead and three wounded.
Ain’t tolerance grand?

– Jeffrey Leon Battle. A former Army reservist, Battle was indicted in October 2002 for conspiring to levy war against the United States and “enlisting in the Reserves to receive military training to use against America.” According to the Justice Department, he planned to wage war against American soldiers in Afghanistan.
Ain’t diversity grand?
“It’s bad enough we have to worry about enemy forces, but now we have to worry about our own guys,” Spc. Autumn Simmer told the Los Angeles Times this week after the assault on the 101st Airborne. The Islamist infiltration of our troops is scandalous. Not one more American, soldier or civilian, must be sacrificed at the altar of multiculturalism, diversity, open borders, and tolerance of the murderous “attitude” of Jihad.
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FYI: Convicted Beltway sniper John Muhammad is scheduled to be executed next week. No doubt the families of the Muslim sniper victims are re-living the horror tonight.
FYI: Muslim US soldier Hasan Abujihaad was convicted last year on espionage and material terrorism support charges
after serving on serving aboard the USS Benfold and sharing classified info with al Qaeda financiers including movements of US ships just six months after al Qaeda operatives had killed 17 Americans aboard the USS Cole in the port of Yemen.
On Twitter, follow #fthood for news updates.
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Clarice Feldman notes President Obama’s “odd” — to say the least — reaction to the attack on Fort Hood soldiers:

On Thursday, 11 soldiers and civilian police at Fort Hood were slaughtered execution-style at close range and over 30 others wounded, allegedly by a U.S. Army Major Malik Nadal Hasan. The President immediately addressed the nation concerning this horrific event.
However, his expression of grief was very odd. He spent the first two minutes of the four-and-a-half minute address in a light-hearted discussion of his earlier “Tribal Nations Conference” on Native American rights, including a “shout out” recognition of a conference attendee.
When he finally got around to the purpose for his public appearance, he gave an uninspired and rambling dissertation on the tragedy. Even then, he could not keep the topic focused on sympathy for the pain of others:

I want all of you to know that as Commander in Chief, that there’s no greater honor, but no greater responsibility for me (emphasis his) than to make sure that the extraordinary men and women in uniform are properly cared for…
Poor soul, it’s so saddening to know how this tragedy affects him. Listening to this address provides some insight into Obama’s character and how he ranks his priorities.
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Business as usual: The whitewashing of jihad by the MSM. See here and here.

So now will the military do a review and make sure there are not more of these traitors, within the ranks of our honorable men and women in uniform?

These chicken**** bully's are no different from any other in a school yard at recess or with a bomb strapped on in a market. They are all cowards and ignorant. They never have and never will accomplish anything with their intelect. It's what frustrates them they see the world and people accomplishing things and they can not accept they are just plain too inept to compete on the same playing field as the rest of the world. Shoot John Lennon, blow their selves up, hide a gun and start shooting unarmed people in the back where they feel safe, or scratch some one's car you don't like.

They are all useless chicken**** back stabbing cowards.

 

[Jack Ryan]

How many rat bites do some people need to get before they decide to just shoot rats instead of digging through the dump looking for the last one that bit them?

 

[Bill of Rights]

It's selective vision, he sees what is not there, and fails to see what is there.

I've answered him in private. As for you, you are thoroughly mistaken about me. Just because I don't agree with you does not make me wrong.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Bill of Rights]

How many rat bites do some people need to get before they decide to just shoot rats instead of digging through the dump looking for the last one that bit them?

Clarify this, please, Jack. I wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions and see something that isn't there.

Of course, I guess that makes me guilty of not seeing something that is there, too, so either way, that means I must be wrong.

How did I EVER survive all this time without such reasoned guidance and wisdom?

Blessings,
Bill

 

[RogerB]

These chickenspit bully's are no different from any other in a school yard at recess or with a bomb strapped on in a market. They are all cowards and ignorant. They never have and never will accomplish anything with their intelect. It's what frustrates them they see the world and people accomplishing things and they can not accept they are just plain too inept to compete on the same playing field as the rest of the world. Shoot John Lennon, blow their selves up, hide a gun and start shooting unarmed people in the back where they feel safe, or scratch some one's car you don't like.

They are all useless chickenspit back stabbing cowards.

not trying to thorw a turd in the punch bowl, but wasn't John Lennon shot by a white guy that was obsessed with and attempting to impress Jody Foster?

 

[Jay]

How many rat bites do some people need to get before they decide to just shoot rats instead of digging through the dump looking for the last one that bit them?

You have to take into consideration that a fair percentage of the neighborhood, may like rats, and would seriously resist shooting any rats..... even the one proven to have bitten you. So, if it's just one rat, and you , and a neighbor...... that's one thing.... but you bring into the picture thousands of rats....... a fair percentage of the neighborhood, and a commander in chump who is part rat, we all have a problem.