The Younger/Dryas comet impact crater found...How old is civilization??

[BugI02]

I took a course in college and it was the professor's contention that civilization (or humans forming villages and towns) that led to domestication of plants and animals as need and specialization made it economical.

I still think he was on to something. Who would spend all the time and effort to farm if you didn't have a market for your excess grain? Where would you store it? And stored grain is a depreciating asset, more so then than now.

And where the heck does corn/maize really come from? No one knows for sure even to this day. There is no wild corn, like there is every other grain. And how the heck did those people around Oaxaca really develop those thousands and thousands of different domesticated plants?

They're working on that question

MAIZE Project. Learn more about Maize (Corn): History, Genetics, Ecology, and other information.
MAIZE Project - Ancestors of Maize

As for the how of those devopments by the people around Oaxaca, take a look at what potatoes were like before and after men began to selectively breed them

 

[Brad69]

You mean everyone’s backyard doesn’t look like this?

View attachment 72166
View attachment 72167

 

[indiucky]

You mean everyone’s backyard doesn’t look like this?

Front yard.....

The waterfall....In the backyard....

I can't tell if these were worn by the waterfall or if native made bedrock mortars....

 

[indiucky]

Nate,

I once thought these we bedrock mortars but I am now not so sure...They are located below the extinct waterfall and do not appear as smooth as my neighbor's bedrock mortars....What do you think???

 

[natdscott]

Nate,

I once thought these we bedrock mortars but I am now not so sure...They are located below the extinct waterfall and do not appear as smooth as my neighbor's bedrock mortars....What do you think??

I'm no anthropologist, but all the ones I've seen were basically spherical bowls, which is understandable if you have ever spent much time using a mortar and pestle.

Given the context, at least for all the holes below the waterfall's location, I'd go with 'naturally occurring'

 

[finnegan]

Well, after seeing these pics if another meteor hits, I'm officially submitting my application to be Rick's resident hermit/blacksmith/ skywatcher. Beautiful land, Rick.

 

[indiucky]

Well, after seeing these pics if another meteor hits, I'm officially submitting my application to be Rick's resident hermit/blacksmith/ skywatcher. Beautiful land, Rick.

Thanks Fin.....You're in....

 

[T.Lex]

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46358789

Article that uses a marker of 39,000 years ago for the extinction of the "Siberian Unicorn," but squarely puts it in the same timeframe as "modern" humans.

I'm not exactly clear on whether the updated timeline is scientifically sound, yet, but I'm confident there'll be much peer review of it.

 

[indiucky]

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46358789

Article that uses a marker of 39,000 years ago for the extinction of the "Siberian Unicorn," but squarely puts it in the same timeframe as "modern" humans.

I'm not exactly clear on whether the updated timeline is scientifically sound, yet, but I'm confident there'll be much peer review of it.

Thanks for posting Tlex...I guess they were died out before the ice free corridor opened up from Sibera so none would have made it here....

 

[indiucky]

I'm no anthropologist, but all the ones I've seen were basically spherical bowls, which is understandable if you have ever spent much time using a mortar and pestle.

Given the context, at least for all the holes below the waterfall's location, I'd go with 'naturally occurring'

Here is an example of a man made bedrock mortar across the road from our property and some red ochre we found in our rock shelter....

 

[actaeon277]

Thanks for posting Tlex...I guess they were died out before the ice free corridor opened up from Sibera so none would have made it here....

Isn't there a debate about that corridor now?

 

[indiucky]

Isn't there a debate about that corridor now?

Yes....

 

[actaeon277]

First Americans lived on land bridge for thousands of years, genetics study suggests

 

[indiucky]

First Americans lived on land bridge for thousands of years, genetics study suggests

Interesting read...Thanks Act...

 

[indiucky]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...ica-10000-years-earlier-we-thought-180961957/


Humans May Have Arrived in North America 10,000 Years Earlier Than We Thought

A 24,000-year-old horse jawbone is helping rewrite our understanding of human habitation on the continent

[FONT=&amp]

[/FONT]

 

[Trigger Time]

Wow indiucki you've found evidence of ancient peoples living on your land? That's really cool. As a kid one of my favorite things was walking the woods and fields looking for signs of Indians. I guess I thought I was gonna find a village or something lol. I made my own teepee and all. I loved nature and history. Found many many arrowheads.
I have a bunch of arrowheads but I dont know anything about them or how to tell what is what. I got them when my uncle died.

 

[indiucky]

Wow indiucki you've found evidence of ancient peoples living on your land? That's really cool. As a kid one of my favorite things was walking the woods and fields looking for signs of Indians. I guess I thought I was gonna find a village or something lol. I made my own teepee and all. I loved nature and history. Found many many arrowheads.
I have a bunch of arrowheads but I dont know anything about them or how to tell what is what. I got them when my uncle died.

I grew up at the foot of the Falls of the Ohio.....Mom would plant a shrub..Out would come a point...Playing in the dirt at George Rogers Clark grade school? Find a broken knife.....Our property in Perry County has five rock shelters on it but they were so looted over the past 80 years or so that I find a broken point, or broken animal bones split to get the marrow quite a bit.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockhouse_Cliffs_Rockshelters

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Here is an example of a man made bedrock mortar across the road from our property and some red ochre we found in our rock shelter....

From the tracks in your top pic, it looks like that particular trilobyte was wearing vibram soles on its tiny little feet!

 

[actaeon277]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...ica-10000-years-earlier-we-thought-180961957/


Humans May Have Arrived in North America 10,000 Years Earlier Than We Thought

A 24,000-year-old horse jawbone is helping rewrite our understanding of human habitation on the continent

I'm confused.
I thought the Europeans brought horses over with them.
That there wasn't any prior to them coming over. But once they got here they proliferated.
Was I wrong?

 

[hoosierdoc]

Haha, I thought I was in the fishing thread. I was going to trash you guys for going off topic