Video of CHI Police shooting teen 16 times

[ArcadiaGP]

Good luck when you do that then as you can expect a 1st degree murder charge as well...

It went from a possible good shoot to a bad one in less then a second, you cannot shoot someone all the way to the ground, rounds bouncing off the ground are not going to help your case.

10 seconds, to be more precise. First grouping of shots were fine. It's that shot nearly 10-12 seconds later that makes it wrong.

Listening to radio tonight, they were saying a lot of information is going to come out about the victim... he was on PCP at the time, he has a checkered past, etc...

In previous police involved shootings between white cops and black suspects... many of them were justified. "Hands up, Don't shoot" comes to mind.

This, though... this was absolutely overkill. I don't care about the dude's past or what drugs he was on. He was not a threat, and a cop shot him, regardless, 10 seconds after he was subdued. I think the situation will be muddied in court and "Murder" won't stick... but the cop is definitely going to jail.

 

[Fargo]

10 seconds, to be more precise. First grouping of shots were fine. It's that shot nearly 10-12 seconds later that makes it wrong.

Listening to radio tonight, they were saying a lot of information is going to come out about the victim... he was on PCP at the time, he has a checkered past, etc...

In previous police involved shootings between white cops and black suspects... many of them were justified. "Hands up, Don't shoot" comes to mind.

This, though... this was absolutely overkill. I don't care about the dude's past or what drugs he was on. He was not a threat, and a cop shot him, regardless, 10 seconds after he was subdued. I think the situation will be muddied in court and "Murder" won't stick... but the cop is definitely going to jail.

Illinois version of manslaughter is called second degree murder...

 

[SMiller]

10 seconds, to be more precise. First grouping of shots were fine. It's that shot nearly 10-12 seconds later that makes it wrong.

Listening to radio tonight, they were saying a lot of information is going to come out about the victim... he was on PCP at the time, he has a checkered past, etc...

In previous police involved shootings between white cops and black suspects... many of them were justified. "Hands up, Don't shoot" comes to mind.

This, though... this was absolutely overkill. I don't care about the dude's past or what drugs he was on. He was not a threat, and a cop shot him, regardless, 10 seconds after he was subdued. I think the situation will be muddied in court and "Murder" won't stick... but the cop is definitely going to jail.

Wow, thanks for making me watch it again, I though the suspect was just moving after being shot on the ground, wasn't until I watched it 3-4 times that I realized he was actually STILL being shot, damn!

 

[Wild Deuce]

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[Fargo]

Initially, I thought that was a hard exhalation (was it a cold night?) but not so sure now after watching it a few times. I wish I could hear the audio and determine exactly when the first shot was fired because it seemed (from his body posture as he fell) that he suffered a CNS / spinal hit very early on.

If on PCP, he really almost had to have been spined early on.

 

[mrjarrell]

This officer looks to have had a history. One that's going to hang him in court.

The officer has had 18 complaints of abuse and misconduct filed against him, including reports of racial slurs.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Why are Democrat-run cities such seething cauldrons of racism and violence?

 

[Fargo]

Why are Democrat-run cities such seething cauldrons of racism and violence?

I honestly don't think it really matters all that much if a Dem or Repub is in charge. NYC has had multiple republican mayors...

 

[drillsgt]

Maybe it was just the version of the video I watched and/or my computer but I didn't have any kind of audio? What was the initial reason for the call?

 

[1911ly]

Maybe it was just the version of the video I watched and/or my computer but I didn't have any kind of audio? What was the initial reason for the call?

Police responded to a call of "man with a knife". He was probably just gonna peal some potatoes. Cop over reacted.

Edit: Added needed purple.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Police responded to a call of "man with a knife". He was probably just gonna peal some potatoes. Cop over reacted.

I won't say that. When the kid spins, there no way to know if he's intending on attacking or not. BUT there IS a point when after the threat is incapacitated, you stop shooting. If the kid had a gun, then maybe you can possibly justify putting that many rounds in a person, but he had a knife. I'm thinking the other officers probably couldn't believe what they were seeing.

 

[1911ly]

I won't say that. When the kid spins, there no way to know if he's intending on attacking or not. BUT there IS a point when after the threat is incapacitated, you stop shooting. If the kid had a gun, then maybe you can possibly justify putting that many rounds in a person, but he had a knife. I'm thinking the other officers probably couldn't believe what they were seeing.

I should have put some purple in there. I just didn't want to lose sight of the fact that the knife was the reason for the call. It all could have been avoided. And I am not making excuses for the cops stupidity either.

 

[SMiller]

I won't say that. When the kid spins, there no way to know if he's intending on attacking or not. BUT there IS a point when after the threat is incapacitated, you stop shooting. If the kid had a gun, then maybe you can possibly justify putting that many rounds in a person, but he had a knife. I'm thinking the other officers probably couldn't believe what they were seeing.

The officer standing beside the shooting cop jumped when he started firing.

 

[semperfi211]

I just watched the video a couple times. I don't think he should have been shot. It didn't seem to me that he was lunging towards someone. If he had a gun in his hand I would say he should have been shot. I will watch again in the morning when I can turn up the volume, everyone in the house is sleeping.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

I just watched the video a couple times. I don't think he should have been shot. It didn't seem to me that he was lunging towards someone. If he had a gun in his hand I would say he should have been shot. I will watch again in the morning when I can turn up the volume, everyone in the house is sleeping.

An erratic man with a knife, lunging near an officer shouldn't be shot? What should be done then? They can't rush him... tackle him... take him down... all dangerous due to the knife.

Tazer? I dunno, maybe. Maybe they didn't have those at the ready, or expected him to abide by the gun and not lunge with a knife.

You pull a knife on me, you will be shot. The follow-up shots, however, would require some real stretching of the imagination to create a "threat".

The first shot(s) were good. The follow-ups were very bad.

 

[Wild Deuce]

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[SMiller]

Damn the scanner is lit up, Chicago is crazy!

 

[1911ly]

I've heard people in the media say the kid should not have been shot because he was running way. That doesn't make sense to me. What if he stabs someone after he flees? Wouldn't law enforcement be held responsible for the negligence of not stopping the guy?

 

[1911ly]

Damn the scanner is lit up, Chicago is crazy!

I can just imagine.

 

[Fargo]

I've heard people in the media say the kid should not have been shot because he was running way. That doesn't make sense to me. What if he stabs someone after he flees? Wouldn't law enforcement be held responsible for the negligence of not stopping the guy?

No, there is a bunch of caselaw that LE doesn't have a duty to protect and qualified immunity is an additional hurdle that is likely insurmountable.