Woman, with child, bumps gate at/near White House, police chase, shoot, kill her

[rambone]

At the time of her execution, her car was stuck on a median, not moving, her car doors were closed, and was not exiting the car. These are the accounts of the official sources.

Shooting her flies in the face of everything we supposedly use as a standard for deadly force. There was no immediate threat to anyone's life.

Whatever she did prior to getting shot was irrelevant. No immediate threat == deadly force is unjustified.

 

[lane440]

So many feeble minded people .. with that brilliant reasoning , it would be total plausible that lets just say, if you were murdered for speeding to the hospital because a family member was dying and you didn't want to stop because it was only two blocks to the hospital , well then you truly deserve it .. because your all for it .

 

[churchmouse]

So many feeble minded people .. with that brilliant reasoning , it would be total plausible that lets just say, if you were murdered for speeding to the hospital because a family member was dying and you didn't want to stop because it was only two blocks to the hospital , well then you truly deserve it .. because your all for it .

What.......................

 

[Trooper]

At the time of her execution, her car was stuck on a median, not moving, her car doors were closed, and was not exiting the car. These are the accounts of the official sources.

Shooting her flies in the face of everything we supposedly use as a standard for deadly force. There was no immediate threat to anyone's life.

Whatever she did prior to getting shot was irrelevant. No immediate threat == deadly force is unjustified.

That sounds too much like the BS that Miah and the Cop Block put out.

 

[cobber]

She was a fleeing felon, deadly force is authorized as a matter of common law.

That may have been the case right up until 1985 but it certainly is not in 2013. Tenn. v. Garner abrogated the common law rule on fleeing felons and imposes a completely different 14th/5th amendment test for use of deadly force.

I'm not saying that deadly force was not justified in this case, as I believe it was. However, the common law rule you cite has been bad law for decades.

Joe

 

[printcraft]

She was a fleeing felon, deadly force is authorized as a matter of common law.

Another to add to this.

Really? I assume only police can do this though right?

How many stories have been told of "common people" responding to a robbery, break in, etc. at their home or business and if they
shoot a person fleeing that they are going to be arrested and charged? There was one a while back about a guy that chased someone
out of his business after they tried to rob him and he shot them as they were running away and he was arrested. I'm not going to bother
finding the story but I'm sure you know what I am referring to.

 

[Destro]

At the time of her execution, her car was stuck on a median, not moving, her car doors were closed, and was not exiting the car. These are the accounts of the official sources.

Shooting her flies in the face of everything we supposedly use as a standard for deadly force. There was no immediate threat to anyone's life.

Whatever she did prior to getting shot was irrelevant. No immediate threat == deadly force is unjustified.

how "stuck" was her vehicle, was she making an attempt to get it "unstuck"?

 

[Destro]

Another to add to this.

Really? I assume only police can do this though right?

How many stories have been told of "common people" responding to a robbery, break in, etc. at their home or business and if they
shoot a person fleeing that they are going to be arrested and charged? There was one a while back about a guy that chased someone
out of his business after they tried to rob him and he shot them as they were running away and he was arrested. I'm not going to bother
finding the story but I'm sure you know what I am referring to.

the fleeing felon rule is mostly an old timey thing (hence common law)
In Indiana, she committed at least D felony Battery on a LEO, and D felony criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. As she was still actively committing the act one act, and attempting the other.

If a guy walks into a shopping mall and starts shooting at people, but hasn't hitanybody, your still justified because he is attempting it with a deadly weapon.

 

[printcraft]

.........
If a guy walks into a shopping mall and starts shooting at people, but hasn't hitanybody, your still justified because he is attempting it with a deadly weapon.

Sorry, I was pontificating on the point about being able to shoot a fleeing felon.
If the mall shooter guy shoots a few kids and then runs out of the door and someone follows him and caps him it's a high probability that the person shooting the guy is going to jail.

 

[drillsgt]

Don't forget the new excuse now to open up on vehicles is that they could be getting ready to detonate a "car bomb". Because black women are notorious for assembling and detonating car bombs in this country.

 

[Destro]

Sorry, I was pontificating on the point about being able to shoot a fleeing felon.
If the mall shooter guy shoots a few kids and then runs out of the door and someone follows him and caps him it's a high probability that the person shooting the guy is going to jail.

if you were in fear for the life of a 3rd party

 

[rambone]

That sounds too much like the BS that Miah and the Cop Block put out.

No BS. Either demonstrate how the immobilized car posed an immediate threat or come clean about supporting summary executions for fleeing suspects.

 

[Destro]

No BS. Either demonstrate how the immobilized car posed an immediate threat or come clean about supporting summary executions for fleeing suspects.

you have emperical evidence the car was immobilized? Or just the stuff you saw on TV?

 

[rambone]

you have emperical evidence the car was immobilized? Or just the stuff you saw on TV?

Summary executions unless you can prove innocence with empirical evidence? Did you see that in a movie? Judge Dredd maybe?

Innocence does not require proof.

Official reports said the car was immobilized, door shut, no threat. Show me anything that reported an immediate threat. Or be honest and embrace the police state.

 

[Destro]

Summary executions unless you can prove innocence with empirical evidence? Did you see that in a movie? Judge Dredd maybe?

Innocence does not require proof.

Official reports said the car was immobilized, door shut, no threat. Show me anything that reported an immediate threat. Or be honest and embrace the police state.

how is the car immobilized in this picture?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Official reports said the car was immobilized, door shut, no threat.

Official reports of whom? Alex Jones and Cop Block? United States Capitol Police and D.C. Police? Which reports are you citing?

 

[Destro]

Official reports of whom? Alex Jones and Cop Block? United States Capitol Police and D.C. Police? Which reports are you citing?

they can't put stuff on the internet unless it's true

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So, it is true that you are a French model?

 

[churchmouse]

Again...this could have been finished the first time they had her stopped if they had not allowed her an escape route. Very poor job at that point and from there on. Epic fail.

 

[ghuns]

So, it is true that you are a French model?

Bonjour