Maybe a stupid question, but if they were looking for a particular guy, why didn't they have the apartment under surveillance before executing the warrant? It just seems logical to me that you put the apartment under surveillance so that you have a high probability of finding the guy you are looking for. Things may have gone south anyway, but the story would sound better if the guy they wanted had actually been in the apartment when they went in.
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Breonna Taylor investigation announcement today, Wed 23 Sept @ 1330
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So...what does that mean, knock, Police we're coming in, bash the door down. I mean anyone could say they're police. If they're a criminal they already plan on breaking the law to break into your home. I would be on the self-defense for sure. Did the guy open the door and let them in? I was under the impression that they kicked in the door and the gunfire was exchanged near a bedroom.
Where I was working today people were talking about this before the announcement. When asked my thoughts I said it's probably just a matter of time before some town goes full RJ Daley on these people. I got strange looks and a few what's that, I replied Richard J. Daley....Chicago 1968....Democratic convention? Out came the phones.
Really makes me feel old.
Really makes me feel old.
Somebody? Maybe Soros! Well his money and foot soldiers...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-rented-holly-zoller-louisville-bail-project/
Where I was working today people were talking about this before the announcement. When asked my thoughts I said it's probably just a matter of time before some town goes full RJ Daley on these people. I got strange looks and a few what's that, I replied Richard J. Daley....Chicago 1968....Democratic convention? Out came the phones.
Really makes me feel old.
"The whole world's watching! The whole world's watching!"
[video=youtube;B6uvdRsiTMs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6uvdRsiTMs[/video]
They pretty much had everybody under surveillance. She was in it up to her neck
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1
Breonna Taylor Summary- redacted
This kind of thing shouldn't happen. Police and an armed citizen exchanged fire, someone else was shot and killed, and no one was criminally responsible for that. Mattingly and Cosgrove were justified in using deadly force because Kenneth Walker shot at them first. They had a reasonable fear for their lives at that point. Walker was also justified in as far as he did not know who was breaking into the home. He had a reasonable fear for his life. Okay, so how ****ed up is that? Both sides are justified, and someone was killed. I don't know what needs to be changed to prevent that from happening but maybe policy? Training? Something. That just shouldn't happen.
At this point we're now trying to deal with the unreasonable expectations. With something like this, expectations needed to be managed. And instead they were ignored. A lot of people in Louisville are upset, saying "the city has failed us", and they're kinda right about that. The Mayor has put this off and hidden things, and passed the blame, and was spineless to even broach expectation management. They've sat on this thing for 6 months and let it fester. No answers. And then people get this answer, and they don't understand it.
They think, reasonably, that a wrongful death like this should result in someone being held responsible. And they're really pissed that the one cop who was charged, his crime didn't even have anything to do with Briana's death. They're saying that the AG said that her death was justified. Of course that's not the case. He said the two police officers were justified in using deadly force. That's not the same thing as saying her death was justified. It's a void area in our criminal justice system. Two parties can both be "justified" in their actions, the result of which is the death of a presumably innocent person. There is a remedy though. It's civil. The city settled the wrongful death lawsuit for $12 million. Probably the lawyers got most of that. I see Crum was all over that case.
I get that it's hard to manage expectations in today's climate. If anyone dared to openly state in public why the likely outcome would not be murder charges for all three, they'd have been called racists, and canceled. But c'mon. 6 months of trying to hide from it?
At this point we're now trying to deal with the unreasonable expectations. With something like this, expectations needed to be managed. And instead they were ignored. A lot of people in Louisville are upset, saying "the city has failed us", and they're kinda right about that. The Mayor has put this off and hidden things, and passed the blame, and was spineless to even broach expectation management. They've sat on this thing for 6 months and let it fester. No answers. And then people get this answer, and they don't understand it.
They think, reasonably, that a wrongful death like this should result in someone being held responsible. And they're really pissed that the one cop who was charged, his crime didn't even have anything to do with Briana's death. They're saying that the AG said that her death was justified. Of course that's not the case. He said the two police officers were justified in using deadly force. That's not the same thing as saying her death was justified. It's a void area in our criminal justice system. Two parties can both be "justified" in their actions, the result of which is the death of a presumably innocent person. There is a remedy though. It's civil. The city settled the wrongful death lawsuit for $12 million. Probably the lawyers got most of that. I see Crum was all over that case.
I get that it's hard to manage expectations in today's climate. If anyone dared to openly state in public why the likely outcome would not be murder charges for all three, they'd have been called racists, and canceled. But c'mon. 6 months of trying to hide from it?
There are a lot of things wrong with this. The police ultimately are responsible for it. Not the cops who did the shooting. Just the incompetence around the whole case, the warrant, the investigation of Glover. The guy was in jail at the time, and I know ***damn well police have a tool to look to see who is in jail at the moment in almost every state. It was incompetence or possibly intentional. Maybe before you send a team to serve the warrant, you might check to see if he's in jail somewhere first. And like you say, maybe they could be reasonably sure he was in the apartment at the time.
avboiler11
Master
To that point...article is dated 14 August but was first published 29 July:
https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...uisville-police-charged-her-death/5529469002/
https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...uisville-police-charged-her-death/5529469002/
Jaybird1980
Grandmaster
I agree to a point. I think no matter what sometimes bad stuff happens when you are dealing with idiots. That said I think sometimes tactics are clearly overlooked. David Koresh comes to mind
Well, that's the thing I'm getting at in my prior post. It's ****ed up because both sides were justified in using deadly force. Kenneth Walker was reasonably in fear of his life, and the cops were reasonably in fear of theirs. So now what?
As far as what happened. According to Cameron's news briefing, the cops had a no-knock warrant, but those serving the warrant were told to knock and identify. Mattingly and Cosgrove didn't hear any response so they breached the door. According to Walker, he heard the banging on the door but did not hear the police identify themselves. So he assumed someone was trying to break in. As soon as they breached, and Mattingly was inside he saw Taylor and Walker in the hall near the bedroom. Walker was holding a gun in a firing position. Walker fired right away. Mattingly was struck in the leg and returned fire. He said he fired 4 rounds. Then fell to the floor and fired two more. None of those rounds hit Walker. Some of those rounds may have hit Taylor. Cosgrove returned fire as well. He shot a total of 16 rounds, one of which ended up being the fatal shot. The other 5 rounds (total of 6) were non-lethal. Shortly after, Hankinson started firing from outside. None of his shots hit Taylor. They went all over the place. They found rounds in 3 different apartments. It was for that reason they charged him with wanton endangerment.
I think they may have a good case against Brett Hankison. Why the **** would you just fire into a patio door without knowing who is on the other side. I mean 3 apartments, for crying out loud. Cameron read the definition of Wanton Endangerment. I mean, it fits Cameron's description of events.
She was probably on the ground already by the time he started shooting. Which brings up another point the angry mob is angry about. Some have expressed offense that Hankison was charged for firing into those apartments, but not Briana's. So I guess they wanted a 4th count?
I dunno. Maybe.
This was also just poor judgement by the PD to do this at night even people are in bed in many apartments...
Why couldn’t they have just waited until he left the apartment? The only situation I see this reasonable in is if the target was a domestic terrorist. Just bad all around.
Why couldn’t they have just waited until he left the apartment? The only situation I see this reasonable in is if the target was a domestic terrorist. Just bad all around.
Yeah, just heard a Cop was shot. Tucker Carlson reported it. No link yet.
