A Refugee Crisis, Not an Immigration Crisis

[Regionnus Rattis]

The problem is a matter of policy on those governments' part. They allow corruption, gangs and cartels to rule. We have plenty of our own kids seeking refuge right here in the US from street gangs...where are they suppose to go, Canada? Countries in the Mideast are being overrun by refugees from the Syrian government, including adults, in addition to children. We need to enforce our border policy to not let them cross and turn them back to Mexico, who allowed them to go through their country without enforcing their own border protection.

 

[mrjarrell]

******* you and your smartass remarks. I doubt you have seen the time when you spent more charitably than on yourself.

They are causing me expense between law enforcement resources, housing them, feeding them, importing disease that will again come out of taxation. There was a time when I was convinced that you were basically what you presented yourself to be. I cannot comprehend a point at which libertarian and socialist thought meet in a way that they can philosophically coexist. Taken in combination with your open ill will toward Republicans, I am left to conclude that you are nothing but a socialist with habits that keep you in venues in which open socialism is not generally welcomed.

Oh, goodness. Getting a might testy there. Take a break, Get a cup of coffee. You don't like peoples answers then stop asking questions. Although I do have one for you. Does your ire at refugees extend to the Cubans who come to our shores? Or should they all be scooped up and sent back to Castro-land after they make it here? Our laws say that those particular refugees get a free pass. Are you good with that one?

 

[Expat]

Hey, look. Here's one of the little darlings now...

 

[IndyDave1776]

Oh, goodness. Getting a might testy there. Take a break, Get a cup of coffee. You don't like peoples answers then stop asking questions. Although I do have one for you. Does your ire at refugees extend to the Cubans who come to our shores? Or should they all be scooped up and sent back to Castro-land after they make it here? Our laws say that those particular refugees get a free pass. Are you good with that one?

Not overly fond of it, especially after the job Castro did of outwitting Carter by sending us a bunch of his criminals and lunatics. As you mentioned, like it or not, if they hit the dirt, they made it--which probably explains why the Coast Guard puts so much effort into intercepting them prior to arrival. As for those on the southern border, the law does NOT allow them to be here. By the standards some people would apply to refugees, most anyone who is not a US citizen would qualify. In case you have not noticed, we do not at this time have adequate means to cover our present burdens before taking on new ones by the millions. I also find it somewhere between disgusting and comical-if-it-weren't-serious that the same people who cry that these people have some contrived right to be here seem to have no problem with the fact that Mexico has immigration laws second in harshness only to North Korea. Where is the outrage over this, or over the fact that Mexico chooses instead of dealing with the problem of central American illegals to pass them along to us without a whole lot of trouble and some significant assistance in beating our system so long as they keep heading north.

 

[Indynic]

Do you have any left?

 

[Classic]

I see many people on the news (Nancy Pelosi, etc.) and on forums who believe we should take these invaders in and take care of them. How about the Whitehouse? They have many spare rooms.

I think if they truly believe in what they are saying they should either go ahead and take a couple of them into their own home or STFU. Otherwise it's just a bunch of cheap talk.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I see many people on the news (Nancy Pelosi, etc.) and on forums who believe we should take these invaders in and take care of them. How about the Whitehouse? They have many spare rooms.

 

[mrjarrell]

Not overly fond of it, especially after the job Castro did of outwitting Carter by sending us a bunch of his criminals and lunatics. As you mentioned, like it or not, if they hit the dirt, they made it--which probably explains why the Coast Guard puts so much effort into intercepting them prior to arrival. As for those on the southern border, the law does NOT allow them to be here. By the standards some people would apply to refugees, most anyone who is not a US citizen would qualify. In case you have not noticed, we do not at this time have adequate means to cover our present burdens before taking on new ones by the millions. I also find it somewhere between disgusting and comical-if-it-weren't-serious that the same people who cry that these people have some contrived right to be here seem to have no problem with the fact that Mexico has immigration laws second in harshness only to North Korea. Where is the outrage over this, or over the fact that Mexico chooses instead of dealing with the problem of central American illegals to pass them along to us without a whole lot of trouble and some significant assistance in beating our system so long as they keep heading north.

Under current law it's the same for kids who hit the ground in the US. They are turned over to the authorities within 24 hours to be processed as refugees. Doesn't apply to adults, just kids. Been that way for awhile now under the anti-trafficking laws. So, why the ire for that law, but grudging acceptance of the Cubans?

 

[cobber]

Hey, look. Here's one of the little darlings now...

Isn't that Mr. Jarrell's backyard in the photo? Wow, he did take in a refugee!

I'll take a half-dozen of them, does that make me 6x more virtuous? My place in heaven is guaranteed!!

 

[IndyDave1776]

Under current law it's the same for kids who hit the ground in the US. They are turned over to the authorities within 24 hours to be processed as refugees. Doesn't apply to adults, just kids. Been that way for awhile now under the anti-trafficking laws. So, why the ire for that law, but grudging acceptance of the Cubans?

I was under the impression that the law did not automatically deem any <18 person to be a refugee, regardless of how well they are coached to give 'correct' answers. I also know that you are no libertarian.

 

[mrjarrell]

I was under the impression that the law did not automatically deem any <18 person to be a refugee, regardless of how well they are coached to give 'correct' answers. I also know that you are no libertarian.

No, you know no such thing or you have a warped view of what a libertarian is. The anti-trafficking laws that cover kids are pretty clear. They get processed as refugees if they hit the US. The Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act cover them.

 

[IndyDave1776]

No, you know no such thing or you have a warped view of what a libertarian is. The anti-trafficking laws that cover kids are pretty clear. They get processed as refugees if they hit the US. The Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act cover them.

OK, granted that you have significantly more experience with the subject, then I will defer to your judgment and understand that a libertarian is someone who makes a cottage industry of b*tching about excessive government but then somehow believes that the government forcibly taking my money for redistribution is acceptable so long as it is for the benefit of foreign invaders and not our own people.

You are making a pretty sorry case for the cause.

 

[Justus]

Under current law it's the same for kids who hit the ground in the US. They are turned over to the authorities within 24 hours to be processed as refugees. Doesn't apply to adults, just kids. Been that way for awhile now under the anti-trafficking laws. So, why the ire for that law, but grudging acceptance of the Cubans?

Quit saying this ^
Mexican and Canadian kids are deported immediately, they are not entered into the system and are not processed as refugees

 

[Expat]

My understanding is about 1/3 of the children appear to late teens and some look older than that. We just take their word that they are children.

As to being refugees, they are not a member of a persecuted group so according to US code they would not qualify. The earlier quoted definition is not the legal definition in the code.

 

[mrjarrell]

OK, granted that you have significantly more experience with the subject, then I will defer to your judgment and understand that a libertarian is someone who makes a cottage industry of b*tching about excessive government but then somehow believes that the government forcibly taking my money for redistribution is acceptable so long as it is for the benefit of foreign invaders and not our own people.

You are making a pretty sorry case for the cause.

I'm not promoting "the cause". I'm just stating the facts. I've said flat out in this thread, (but you apparently ignored it) to end the dole if that's an issue. End the medicaid/care programs. End the welfare. FOR EVERYONE. Then that takes that off the table and any so-called leaches have no reason to come if there's not a welfare state. Problem solved from your point of view. Contact you reps and get them right on it. I've been *****in' about for over 30 friggin years. Time for some of you guys to take up the slack.

 

[mrjarrell]

Quit saying this ^
Mexican and Canadian kids are deported immediately, they are not entered into the system and are not processed as refugees

At some point, someone in the system makes that determination, whether you think they do or not.

 

[88GT]

Elian Gonzalez wasn't a refugee.

 

[wagyu52]

Can't we just ship them up to Detroit and then on to Canada. Detroit is just like a third world county.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'm not promoting "the cause". I'm just stating the facts. I've said flat out in this thread, (but you apparently ignored it) to end the dole if that's an issue. End the medicaid/care programs. End the welfare. FOR EVERYONE. Then that takes that off the table and any so-called leaches have no reason to come if there's not a welfare state. Problem solved from your point of view. Contact you reps and get them right on it. I've been *****in' about for over 30 friggin years. Time for some of you guys to take up the slack.

No argument against any of this here. My question is why you are so hell-bent on throwing the doors wide open to any damned body who wants to help himself. While I am apparently not as old as you are, I have invested my share of efforts into working for these changes. So far, it hasn't worked out so well as you are well aware.

 

[Justus]

At some point, someone in the system makes that determination, whether you think they do or not.

Semantics.... Mexican and Canadian kids are not processed as refugees are promptly deported.