You must be pretty young then. Here is even an article that references the official choices back in the day were ABC (paragraph 2)
AR-15 Rifle Choices - Part 6
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Do you TRULY want a good AR-15 or do you want crap?
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AR-15 Rifle Choices - Part 6
halfmileharry
Grandmaster
I run MOSTLY COLT AR15s.
I have a lot of BCM parts mixed in with them. Mostly cosmetic.
I haven't had a problem with any of my Colt rifles and run the hell out of them.
I also have a NIB Noveske I've never taken out of the box so I can't speak of their quality.
I have an Armalite AR10-4 I've run the hell of as well but since ammo went through the roof for them it got stripped, cleaned, and stored in the safe. It's been flawless as well after thousands of rounds.
IF it's mechanical you can have issues.
BCM makes quality products I have no issue using.
I have a lot of BCM parts mixed in with them. Mostly cosmetic.
I haven't had a problem with any of my Colt rifles and run the hell out of them.
I also have a NIB Noveske I've never taken out of the box so I can't speak of their quality.
I have an Armalite AR10-4 I've run the hell of as well but since ammo went through the roof for them it got stripped, cleaned, and stored in the safe. It's been flawless as well after thousands of rounds.
IF it's mechanical you can have issues.
BCM makes quality products I have no issue using.
That article was from 2013, and while it's true Bushy has been around for a minute, it was never considered a tier one rifle by anyone but gun rag writers. Pretty young is subjective to the age of the person stating it, I'm in my mid 40's.
I've not seen any indication that Colt quality has slipped since I bought mine long ago. You can't see that a part has been mpi or is made from a certain grade of steel (easily). They've never worried about little visual imperfections. If you've seen any pictures of their factory you'd have seen piles of parts laying together in bins getting scuffed and dinged.
Most people would take a Noveske chainsaw in a heartbeat because Noveske marketing made a blem part appear to be cool. It's a blem but it's still filled with Noveske goodness.
My point is you can't easily see some of the quality that does or doesn't go into an AR. You can see things like BCM handguard attachment system and think, "that's some quality engineering right there". Beware of the knock offs made of Chinesium!
Most people would take a Noveske chainsaw in a heartbeat because Noveske marketing made a blem part appear to be cool. It's a blem but it's still filled with Noveske goodness.
My point is you can't easily see some of the quality that does or doesn't go into an AR. You can see things like BCM handguard attachment system and think, "that's some quality engineering right there". Beware of the knock offs made of Chinesium!
i was gonna say I'm not that old and bushmaster used to have a great rep up there with colt.
Bushmaster Hater man. I don't know if we can be friends now
my first AR was a limited edition bushmaster. It was during "the ban". So it wasn't anything special but I thought it was hot ****. Lol
Noveske has been going downhill bad since Johns death. I have known several people within the last year who have bought out of spec noveske lowers. I'm sure you could find more cases of it online. I wouldn't buy a noveske now period. Not even a lower
Yep, before all of these boutique makers came around, some people argued they were better than Colts. But then there was a collapse in people's opinion. IIRC they were sold or something.
The ABC's of AR ownership seems like was popular to quote back in the 90's but was still quoted into the 2000's on some forums.
What process does BCM do to an upper or lower that they buy from Cerro Forge or BAFE? Do they buy 80%-ers and finish them? Do they buy complete - but not anodized / coated parts?
Note, I'm just talking uppers and lowers here.
Note, I'm just talking uppers and lowers here.
223 Gunner
Master
Bushy used to have a good rep, and made a solid rifle. I still own a Bushy made in 2006, I have never had an issue with it. The only thing that threw me was when I put a Magpul CTR on it, the buffer tube is commercial and not mil-spec.
223 Gunner
Master
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nope this is intended to keep new gun or inexperienced gun people from buying junk.
AK74, never had any luck with them. Had one build by Troy sellers that didn't run good and then had one from rifle dynamics I sold. Not my cup of tea. The favor, never tried one.
Or Bushmaster!
Or Bushmaster!
They fall into the junk catagory.
Most of my ARs fall into the junk category, yet I've taken classes with them and run thousands of rounds without problems (other than those between my ears.) If you plan to "go to war" with your AR, buy high end. For many entry level shooters, 1K rounds is 5 years worth of shooting, so a budget (Bushmaster, PSA, S&W) will probably be just fine for their recreational needs.
While buying higher end is great, if someone is on a budget and wants to shoot, I won't be the one to tell them "Too bad, $700 won't cut it."
While buying higher end is great, if someone is on a budget and wants to shoot, I won't be the one to tell them "Too bad, $700 won't cut it."
I've never owned an AR-15 of any brand . I'd rather own a dependable AR than a troublesome AR. I see a lot of info on various brands (not just on INGO).
It's like the more I read the more confusing it can become. Just sayin'....
I must add , I'm not in the market for an AR at this time anyhows...
It's like the more I read the more confusing it can become. Just sayin'....
I must add , I'm not in the market for an AR at this time anyhows...
I agree with that, although I still try to steer people away from cheap ARs toward something good.
