Florida school Shooting

[Coach]

You mean most would want the guy arrested? If that's what you meant, I would probably agree. Do you think most 2nd Amendment loving gun owners would agree. I would bet not. I'm firmly in the "commit a crime that victimizes someone - go to jail" ...and admittedly, I have arrest people for crimes where other people have have not been victimized (i.e. drugs/10-55), but generally, I think there should be a victim in order to hook someone up... hurt feelings isn't victimization.

That is exactly what I meant. Arresting for violations of the law could prevent victims. Justice and protecting innocent people is also a part of the equation or it should be. Standing around and waiting for a victim to happen is a poor approach.

Did not appreciate your hurt feelings jab at my example.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That is exactly what I meant. Arresting for violations of the law could prevent victims. Justice and protecting innocent people is also a part of the equation or it should be. Standing around and waiting for a victim to happen is a poor approach.

Did not appreciate your hurt feelings jab at my example.

Apologies. I wasn't speaking of you specifically. I was speaking of the parents who would be offended that a person was carrying a firearm in a school, and that alone should justify their imprisonment.

 

[Coach]

Apologies. I wasn't speaking of you specifically. I was speaking of the parents who would be offended that a person was carrying a firearm in a school, and that alone should justify their imprisonment.

My bad. I took it wrong. No worries.

 

[Ark]

I'm down with Coach's attitude on this. Institutions cannot be trusted to save you. Even when they're not being incompetent, they're staffed by human beings with human limitations. And I'd shake the hand of the teacher with a gun on their hip who looks me in the eye and says "I will die fighting before I allow someone to come in here and hurt your child".

 

[Crusader17]

Browsing Facebook comments it's clear that there is a war on the AR-15. How quickly they have forgotten that the Sutherland Springs attack was stopped by a civilian who was armed with an AR-15 as well.

 

[jkdbjj]

Yeah, same old tired story---blame the rifle and fault law enforcement for not being there to stop it within 1 minute of a 911 call.

On school security...here is a list of bills in the legislature that ISTA is reporting on...I don't see security listed, maybe I am missing it?

https://www.ista-in.org/2018-mid-session-summary

 

[churchmouse]

I'm down with Coach's attitude on this. Institutions cannot be trusted to save you. Even when they're not being incompetent, they're staffed by human beings with human limitations. And I'd shake the hand of the teacher with a gun on their hip who looks me in the eye and says "I will die fighting before I allow someone to come in here and hurt your child".

It is all about law suites. Follow the money.

 

[K_W]

Browsing Facebook comments it's clear that there is a war on the AR-15. How quickly they have forgotten that the Sutherland Springs attack was stopped by a civilian who was armed with an AR-15 as well.

Head of the snake... if you can convince people to support a ban on the most popular rifle in the country, you've set the groundwork to ban them all.

 

[Crusader17]

Head of the snake... if you can convince people to support a ban on the most popular rifle in the country, you've set the groundwork to ban them all.

Thats where my thought process has led me as well. A lot of people calling for gun reform have no idea what they are talking about. They've never browsed a website and looked at all the other tactical looking guns and if we concede the AR-15 we are certainly starting down the slippery slope.

 

[Coach]

Stop the shootings and you stop the attack on the 2nd Amendment.

 

[KellyinAvon]

If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim. -- Jeff Cooper

The knowledge that there are armed staff members and/or volunteers in schools would do more to eliminate evil like we saw in Florida than can be imagined. You can count the number of mass public shootings not occurring in GFZs since 1950 on one hand. When the would-be mass murderer considers there are not only people who are armed, but you'll never know who is armed? These horrific incidents will cease. Who is armed? Is it a teacher? An administrator? A janitor? The lunch lady? All of the above? Right now the evil in this world has a sure thing, they'll be the only one with a gun. End that, and we'll end the problem.

 

[bwframe]

Stop the shootings and you stop the attack on the 2nd Amendment.

Somebody gets it.

 

[GIJEW]

If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim. -- Jeff Cooper

The knowledge that there are armed staff members and/or volunteers in schools would do more to eliminate evil like we saw in Florida than can be imagined. You can count the number of mass public shootings not occurring in GFZs since 1950 on one hand. When the would-be mass murderer considers there are not only people who are armed, but you'll never know who is armed? These horrific incidents will cease. Who is armed? Is it a teacher? An administrator? A janitor? The lunch lady? All of the above? Right now the evil in this world has a sure thing, they'll be the only one with a gun. End that, and we'll end the problem.

^^^THIS^^^

1st responders are great...reinforcements. If things go that wrong, you need an immediate responder and the only one you should count on to step up, is yourself. As for sheeple not wanting "teachers with guns on their hips", concealment fixes that.

No knowledgeable person would try to clear a building by themselves except as an act of desperation. If you're a disgruntled punk, what would your odds be against multiple trained staff and faculty?

 

[GIJEW]

Stop the shootings and you stop the attack on the 2nd Amendment.

No. The attacks on the 2A predate school shootings. The people in the anti-gun lobby are either:

1)elitist bigots who hold us and our freedom in contempt

2)statist politicians making a power grab

3)what lenin called "useful idiots" who don't know what they're talking about and emote instead of thinking.

The first 2 groups aren't going away, they'll just adopt new strategies and look for other opportunities. The last group--the political zombies--will still be getting led around by nose.

 

[Tanfodude]

"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim.

-- Jeff Cooper "

I posted this quote on Mom Demands Action and an anti-gunner woman liked that post and her profile picture is thijs:

https://www.facebook.com/lori.nicolopulos?fref=pb&hc_location=profile_browser

This clearly shows that most of them don't actually read or has no comprehension skills.
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[GodFearinGunTotin]

If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim. -- Jeff Cooper

Stolen

The knowledge that there are armed staff members and/or volunteers in schools would do more to eliminate evil like we saw in Florida than can be imagined. You can count the number of mass public shootings not occurring in GFZs since 1950 on one hand. When the would-be mass murderer considers there are not only people who are armed, but you'll never know who is armed? These horrific incidents will cease. Who is armed? Is it a teacher? An administrator? A janitor? The lunch lady? All of the above? Right now the evil in this world has a sure thing, they'll be the only one with a gun. End that, and we'll end the problem.

#FreeTheSheepdogs

 

[Coach]

No. The attacks on the 2A predate school shootings. The people in the anti-gun lobby are either:

1)elitist bigots who hold us and our freedom in contempt

2)statist politicians making a power grab

3)what lenin called "useful idiots" who don't know what they're talking about and emote instead of thinking.

The first 2 groups aren't going away, they'll just adopt new strategies and look for other opportunities. The last group--the political zombies--will still be getting led around by nose.[/QUOT

One man with courage is a majority. I will take Andrew Jackson over Lenin six days a week and twice on Sunday.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'm not sure which thread on this is the most active now so I'll cross post this.

Has anyone else been hearing about this? This is the 2nd or 3rd story on it I've seen cross my FB feed today.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

[KellyinAvon]

I'm not sure which thread on this is the most active now so I'll cross post this.

Has anyone else been hearing about this? This is the 2nd or 3rd story on it I've seen cross my FB feed today.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Well, we got a group led by a sharia law-supporting terrorist behind this. Not surprising.

 

[Denny347]

It is rare that you find a teacher WILLING to be armed. The vast majority want nothing to do with guns.