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HB1231 passes in house- (Centerfire rifles for deer hunting)
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Because I like to be different and spend money like I am going to get more in two weeks. In reality, no cartridge that may be approved is going to kill deer any better than the 35 Remington Rimmed 1.8 I have been using for a few years. I will use it as an excuse to get a new barrel though.
Another good point.
Putting my conspiracy hat on for a minute, I start to think the 10' rule is asinine that no one would have legitimately proposed it. It follows that it was done to create a point of argument that could cause discussions to be made that would cause deadlines to be missed.
Honestly, I thought that no rule was crazier than the cartridge-length-for-specific-species one that already existed but this thing tops even that!
What about when youre in a creek bed in the bottom of a hollow and want to shoot a deer you see--climbing your 10' stand would be ok, but walking up the side of the hill 10' would not be ok? You'd be at the same level of elevation under either scenario.
And if being on the side of a hill higher than 10' from the bottom of the lowest point is ok, then......
And if being on the side of a hill higher than 10' from the bottom of the lowest point is ok, then......
Exactly--this 10' nonsense is more ridiculous than the case length rule.
The 10' rule is to address the concerns of shooting from the ground on flat land where little to no elevation change is around for thousands of yards. I am surprised that they did not make it higher. The Senator that proposed it also voted against the whole bill. She appears to have the same uneducated view point that most that are opposed to it do.
it is supposed to be up for second reading today.
AMENDMENTS??
1)SENATE MOTION MADAM PRESIDENT: I move that Engrossed House Bill 1231 be amended to read as follows: 1 Page 2, delete lines 8 through 14. (Reference is to EHB 1231 as printed February 24, 2016.) ________________________________________
Senator PERFECT MO123101/DI 92 2016
REMOVES THE NORTH SOUTH LANQUAGE
2) SENATE MOTION MADAM PRESIDENT: I move that Engrossed House Bill 1231 be amended to read as follows: 1 Page 1, line 7, delete "privately owned land" and insert " state 2 owned hunting areas ". 3 Page 2, between lines 16 and 17, begin a new paragraph and insert: 4 " (c) A rule adopted under subsection (a) may not authorize 5 more than four (4) annual rifle seasons for hunting deer. The 6 department shall report on the impact of the hunting seasons 7 authorized under this section to the governor and, in an electronic 8 format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 9 2020. 10 (d) This section expires June 30, 2020. ". (Reference is to EHB 1231 as printed February 24, 2016.) ________________________________________ Senator HERSHMAN MO123105/DI 92 2016
REMOVES PRIVATE LAND AND LIMITS IT TO 4 SEASONS?
3) SENATE MOTION MADAM PRESIDENT: I move that Engrossed House Bill 1231 be amended to read as follows: 1 Page 2, between lines 16 and 17, begin a new paragraph and insert: 2 "SECTION 2. IC 14-22-2-9 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE 3 AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE 4 UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 9. (a) This section applies to a hunting 5 season beginning after June 30, 2016. 6 (b) Notwithstanding any rule prescribing the minimum length 7 of a handgun cartridge case, a hunter may use a handgun that fires 8 a commercially available bullet of ten (10) millimeters in diameter 9 to hunt deer. 10 (c) The use of a handgun described in subsection (b) to hunt 11 deer is subject to the rules: 12 (1) requiring that the handgun conform to the requirements 13 of IC 35-47-1-6; 14 (2) prescribing the minimum barrel length of the handgun; 15 and 16 (3) prohibiting the use of full metal jacketed bullets. MO123107/DI 92 2016
EXPANDED TO INCLUDE 10MM HANDGUNS
4) SENATE MOTION MADAM PRESIDENT: I move that Engrossed House Bill 1231 be amended to read as follows: 1 Page 2, delete lines 6 through 7, begin a new line block indented 2 and insert: 3 " (4) The rifle must be equipped with a magazine that is 4 incapable of holding more than ten (10) cartridges. ". 5 Page 2, between lines 16 and 17, begin a new paragraph and insert: 6 " (c) A rule adopted under subsection (a) may not authorize 7 more than four (4) annual rifle seasons for hunting deer. 8 (d) This section expires June 30, 2020. ". (Reference is to EHB 1231 as printed February 24, 2016.) ________________________________________ Senator MESSMER MO123106/DI 92 2016
LIMITS MAGAZINES TO 10 CARTRIDGES
NOTHING ON RESCINDING THE TEN FOOT RULE
AMENDMENTS??
1)SENATE MOTION MADAM PRESIDENT: I move that Engrossed House Bill 1231 be amended to read as follows: 1 Page 2, delete lines 8 through 14. (Reference is to EHB 1231 as printed February 24, 2016.) ________________________________________
Senator PERFECT MO123101/DI 92 2016
REMOVES THE NORTH SOUTH LANQUAGE
2) SENATE MOTION MADAM PRESIDENT: I move that Engrossed House Bill 1231 be amended to read as follows: 1 Page 1, line 7, delete "privately owned land" and insert " state 2 owned hunting areas ". 3 Page 2, between lines 16 and 17, begin a new paragraph and insert: 4 " (c) A rule adopted under subsection (a) may not authorize 5 more than four (4) annual rifle seasons for hunting deer. The 6 department shall report on the impact of the hunting seasons 7 authorized under this section to the governor and, in an electronic 8 format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 9 2020. 10 (d) This section expires June 30, 2020. ". (Reference is to EHB 1231 as printed February 24, 2016.) ________________________________________ Senator HERSHMAN MO123105/DI 92 2016
REMOVES PRIVATE LAND AND LIMITS IT TO 4 SEASONS?
3) SENATE MOTION MADAM PRESIDENT: I move that Engrossed House Bill 1231 be amended to read as follows: 1 Page 2, between lines 16 and 17, begin a new paragraph and insert: 2 "SECTION 2. IC 14-22-2-9 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE 3 AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE 4 UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 9. (a) This section applies to a hunting 5 season beginning after June 30, 2016. 6 (b) Notwithstanding any rule prescribing the minimum length 7 of a handgun cartridge case, a hunter may use a handgun that fires 8 a commercially available bullet of ten (10) millimeters in diameter 9 to hunt deer. 10 (c) The use of a handgun described in subsection (b) to hunt 11 deer is subject to the rules: 12 (1) requiring that the handgun conform to the requirements 13 of IC 35-47-1-6; 14 (2) prescribing the minimum barrel length of the handgun; 15 and 16 (3) prohibiting the use of full metal jacketed bullets. MO123107/DI 92 2016
EXPANDED TO INCLUDE 10MM HANDGUNS
4) SENATE MOTION MADAM PRESIDENT: I move that Engrossed House Bill 1231 be amended to read as follows: 1 Page 2, delete lines 6 through 7, begin a new line block indented 2 and insert: 3 " (4) The rifle must be equipped with a magazine that is 4 incapable of holding more than ten (10) cartridges. ". 5 Page 2, between lines 16 and 17, begin a new paragraph and insert: 6 " (c) A rule adopted under subsection (a) may not authorize 7 more than four (4) annual rifle seasons for hunting deer. 8 (d) This section expires June 30, 2020. ". (Reference is to EHB 1231 as printed February 24, 2016.) ________________________________________ Senator MESSMER MO123106/DI 92 2016
LIMITS MAGAZINES TO 10 CARTRIDGES
NOTHING ON RESCINDING THE TEN FOOT RULE
Watch what you are paying your elected officials to do...
Senate - Indiana General Assembly, 2016 Session
Senate - Indiana General Assembly, 2016 Session
brotherbill3
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Looks like they took what was a ridiculous bifurcation of the rules for Public / Private land hunting (and sarcastic land demarcation) and made into a cob-web that will make a huge mess ... IMO ...
The bill is all borked up now. It passed the second reading today, but either intentionally or mistakenly, it only allows HPR's on state ground. Lol!
Still only for southern Indiana.
Allows rifles on state owned property only.
Allows inclusion of 10mm handguns for deer.
The 10' rule was removed.
The final vote deadline is Wednesday. Hopefully they can get the private/state land stuff sorted out
Still only for southern Indiana.
Allows rifles on state owned property only.
Allows inclusion of 10mm handguns for deer.
The 10' rule was removed.
The final vote deadline is Wednesday. Hopefully they can get the private/state land stuff sorted out
It is a class A mess for sure. I think the senator wanted to include the public ground and not get rid of thee private ground UNLESS he meant for it to be a bill killer.
Here is what it is now before going to conference..
Splits state north/south
Allows rifles on state owned property only
Allows inclusion of 10 mm handguns
looks like we are posting at the same time M4...
The 10-foot rule was deleted with language in Amendment #4. That language is "delete lines 6 through 7."
"4) SENATE MOTION MADAM PRESIDENT: I move that Engrossed House Bill 1231 be amended to read as follows: 1 Page 2, delete lines 6 through 7, begin a new line block indented 2 and insert: 3 " (4) The rifle must be equipped with a magazine that is 4 incapable of holding more than ten (10) cartridges. "
"4) SENATE MOTION MADAM PRESIDENT: I move that Engrossed House Bill 1231 be amended to read as follows: 1 Page 2, delete lines 6 through 7, begin a new line block indented 2 and insert: 3 " (4) The rifle must be equipped with a magazine that is 4 incapable of holding more than ten (10) cartridges. "
However it passes, it will be used as an example of how it is perfectly safe and blood really didn't run in the streets. After a year or so, it will open it up to the whole state and we will use whatever areas are allowed as an example. I'm glad it may pass in some way, and glad the 10 mm is given the respect it deserves.
As much as it sucks. I total agree. Eventually we will be able too..
absolutely well put!!!
